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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #18 on: Monday 29 December 25 23:45 GMT (UK) »
The link to John Orme’s military papers that I posted above will take you to his service during WW1.
It mentions that he also served during the Boer War. I would have thought that there might have been some record of his service in the Boer War at NAA, but I didn’t see any.

However there are numerous newspaper reports which tell and interesting story -----


THE CASE OF JOHN ORME.
We have received a pamphlet relating to “The case of John Orme,” which, it is said, is
shortly to be brought before the Federal Parliament. Orme was: a Victorian railway engine driver, who according to the opinion of a Melbourne solicitor who has investigated his case, Is entitled to substantial reparation for having been harshly heated by the military authorities in South Africa during the war, in having been deported as a result of a charge which was never legally proved, notwithstanding that he had rendered arduous and patriotic service.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/117964628?searchTerm=%22John%20Orme%22%20AND%20Africa

Mentioned in the House of Representtives
The Case of John Orme.
Sir John Quick asked that attention be paid to the complaint of Mr. John Orme
that he had been treated unfairly by the British war authorities.
Mr. Frazer promised to have the matter looked into.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5214272?searchTerm=%22John%20Orme%22%20AND%20Africa


Mr John Orme, a Victorian, whose grievances against the War Office in connection with the South African-War- were 'recently mentioned in Parliament, left- on Saturday, for London to try and secure an inquiry int0 his case. He claims that he -was wrongfully convicted and imprisoned, and that he was improperly removed from South Africa. The Federal and Victorian Governments are interesting , themselves in, his case.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200256279?searchTerm=%22John%20Orme%22%20AND%20Africa

BOER WAR INCIDENT.
LONDON Nov. 2
Colonel Seely) (Under Secretary for War), in reply to a question by Mr H P. Croft,
member for Christchurch in the House of Commons to-day, said the War Office had
no intention of reopening the case of John Orme, an Australian, who was imprisoned
during the war in South Africa, and deported from the country.
John Orme was at one time a member of the Victorian police force He served in South Africa during the Boer war, and was arrested for an alleged offence, sentenced to a term of imprisonment, and later was deported from South Africa. He wrote a pamphlet, which last year was circulated amongst members of the Commonwealth and State Parliaments. His statement was that he had been unjustly dealt with, and he asked that redress be given to him The case was mentioned in the House of Representatives by Sir John Quick and the Defence authorities wrote, to the Imperial War Office on the subject.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11629478?searchTerm=%22John%20Orme%22%20AND%20Africa
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #19 on: Monday 29 December 25 23:55 GMT (UK) »
That's brilliant.
I'll take Time to download and digest.

Muchly appreciated
David
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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #20 on: Monday 29 December 25 23:57 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like a Breaker Mirant episode again.
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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like a Breaker Mirant episode again.

I was thinking along the same lines, except Morant was executed.
 Let's make a movie!  :)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 00:28 GMT (UK) »
Children of John ORME and Eliza Jane WELCH

Ernest Wheeley ORME born 11 May 1898 Melbourne
•   Married 27 June 1923 to Jane Smart HEGGIE (2 sons born in Australia)
•   Died 1967 South Africa

Amy Lucy Helena ORME born 18 Dec 1900 Melbourne
•   Married 1923 to John HARDIMAN
•   Died 20 Jan 1990

Clifford John ORME born 1904 Melbourne
•   Married 1929 to Evelyn Anna PERRY
•   Died 1961 Melbourne


John Orme was the son of
William Wheeley ORME born 1827 Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England
•   Married 1850 Geelong to Amelia Elizabeth JEFFERY
•   Died 1885 Burwood Melbourne
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70390894?searchTerm=%22William%20Wheeley%20ORME%22
 -  Inquest
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/569662FC-F1BD-11E9-AE98-09EA95E99EDA?image=1


His widow Amelia ORME died in 1888
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/195991117?searchTerm=ORME
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 00:30 GMT (UK) »
Hey Neale1961
That's outstanding work.
Great stuff
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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 00:58 GMT (UK) »
Let me know what other "stuff" you are looking for related to this family.
I'm happy to do some genealogy hunting.  :)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 01:02 GMT (UK) »
I will,
I'm just preoccupied this month with family and stuff!!
Besides which I am NOT addicted! I can stop anytime my wife tells me to.😅
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Re: John Orme 1827-1885
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 01:09 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking more for John Orme’s Boer War Case file.
There are 2 files available from NAA, not yet digitised, but you can request copies.

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)