Angus Leitch relatives Islay

[Creasegirl]

Hi.  I have recently found out after years of researching that my great great grandfather was Angus Leitch born 1831 in Kilmeny or Kilchoan whose parents I believe to be John Leitch and Elizabeth McAulay. 

My great great grandmother was Jane Butcher and she had many illigitimate children including Angus Leitch Butcher born 1852 my great grandfather was the son of Angus Leitch.

Angus leitch then went on to have an illigitimate child James in 1853 with Flora Campbell Anderson and married her in 1854.

It looks like the Leitch side moved between Islay and Paisley and Glasgow and that maybe Angus Leitch was a bit transient as appears in a few census at the same time and not always with his wife.

I would be interested to see if anyone had any more information or were related as they may not know that there is other family out there.

[osprey]

baptism in Kilchoman

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJ3-BY3?lang=en

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ARL/Kilchoman

Baptism in same parish for sister Christian
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY3C-MZ9?lang=en

She married in Paisley in 1859
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSDQ-2KXR?lang=en

1841 census for family in Kilchoman
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a141361f4040b9d6efa0276/john-leitch-1841-argyllshire-kilchoman-1806-?locale=en

1851 census in Paisley
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15542af4040b9d6e67512c/john-leitch-1851-renfrewshire-abbey-paisley-1802-?locale=en

[eilthireach]

Angus was born 5 February 1831 (and baptised 20 February 1831) in Sunderland, which lies half a mile SE of Loch Gorm on the Rhinns of Islay. The birth and baptism are recorded in the Old Parochial Register for the Parish of Kilchoman, Argyll, Page 114 (Frame 117). (Note: Kilchoman, not Kilchoan!). The marriage register shows that John was from Kindrochid, Argyll, and Elizabeth was from Kilchearan in the Rhinns of Islay, Argyll, and they married 5 December 1826. The family appears at Sunderland in the Parish of Kilchoman, Argyll, in the 1841 Census returns.

[osprey]

I'm not sure about the marriage to Flora   
Modified - Just found her death reg in 1883. So should be widower in later entries rather than single.

1861 census he is single and with his parents.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59c549bff4040bbce0d1ae85/angus-leitch-1861-renfrewshire-abbey-paisley-1830-?locale=en

His father John died 2 May 1883 & Angus registered his death. John's parents are noted as John Leitch & Christian Gillespie on the death registration. Address for Angus is 175 Paisley Road West, He is there on 1891 census and enumerated as single. It's the household of his older sister, Mary, who married Thomas Reid in 1858.

He died of pneumonia 22 May 1909 at 167 Renfrew Road, Govan (the poorhouse), former address 21 Govan Road. He was a stableman & single. Parents noted as John Leitch & Elizabeth McAulay, death registered by niece Margareta Hastie of 68 Lambhill St, Govan.

[Creasegirl]

Thanks everyone far for all the information so far.

I had a quick look on Scotland's people and couldn't find a marriage for John Leitch to Christian Gillespie or any birth records.  However I found a death on family search for an Isabella McLellan who's parents were John Leitch and Christian Gillespie Leitch and it looks from census records like she was born around 1816 and then had moved to Glasgow to live with her 'husband' John McLellan who was also born in Islay as I can't find their marriage record either. 

But maybe that's why Angus moved to Glasgow as Isabella McLellan stayed in Norfolk street in Laurieston in 1851 and Angus lived in South Coburg Street round the corner working for a family from Islay.

So lots of questions as well as answers...

[Forfarian]

her 'husband' John McLellan who was also born in Islay as I can't find their marriage record either.

Just because there's no surviving record of a marriage doesn't mean there was no marriage.

Also, don't read anything into the mother's surname in a baptism record. In Scotland a woman doesn't lose her maiden surname on marriage, which is why you usually get the mother's maiden surname in baptism records, and quite often in the census and other records. So the fact that the records of baptisms of her children list her own maiden surname does not mean that she wasn't properly married

(Also, incidentally, why there's no confusion between middle names and surnames. If you come across aaa bbb ccc in an original Scottish record, then aaa is her first given name, bbb is/are her middle name(s) and ccc is her maiden surname. If she marries ddd eee fff, her name normally appears as aaa bbb ccc or fff. If you record her as aaa ccc fff, as often happens in other countries, you can't tell whether ccc is her maiden surname or her own middle name(s).)

 

[Creasegirl]

Thanks.

The Christian Gillespie Leitch name on Isabellas death certificate means that there is a definite link to John Leitch who was her brother. So I imagine that there will be other children but that the records maybe not on ScotlandsPeople.

At least got some more information to look at now

[Forfarian]

I imagine that there will be other children but that the records maybe not on ScotlandsPeople.

Indeed.

But the chances of there being records that aren't on Scotland's People is very small.

[Creasegirl]

I did manage to find the marriage of Isabella Leitch to John McLellan which was in 1840 in Paisley but couldnt see her baptism record.

So i will take a look and see what other Leitches are in the 1841 Paisley census and see if I can make any more connections.