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Re: I may be asking the impossible
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 27 December 25 14:37 GMT (UK) »
The Alexander Stewart who is claiming poor relief made the application 15th February 1862. He states he is 70 years old and born in the parish of Carluke.
His three children are -

ALEXANDER, aged 48 years, a miner, married with a family, living in Craigneuk. (Dalziel parish).
MARION, aged 46 years, married to John Hamilton an engine keeper, 10 children, living in Glasgow.
BETTY, aged 44 years, married to John Smith a miner, 1 child, living in Craigneuk.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 27 December 25 14:47 GMT (UK) »
I think the Alexander who made the poor relief claim could have been married to Jane Walker.

Another Alexander Stewart made a claim on Cambusnethan parish in 1877, he states he is aged 63, a widower, born at Bush, parish of Cambusnethan. (Bush = Gillhead).
He gives his parents as Alexander Stewart, a miner and Jane Walker, both dead.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 27 December 25 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Ah! I misunderstood.

Yes that's him. He actually had 4 more children. Elizabeth Smith was the informant on his death cert so that confirms it.

His parents are John Steuart and Betty /Elizabeth Morton.
Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland <br />Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)<br />McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk<br />Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire <br />Torrance - Brisbane<br />Connolly , Robertson- NSW<br />McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 27 December 25 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes the one making the poor relief claim was indeed married to Jane Walker.

The second one making the claim in 1877  was born in Thornbush in 1814 and is the first one's son. He died 6th July 1877 . Place of death Alicia Bank Orchard, Cambusnethan
Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland <br />Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)<br />McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk<br />Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire <br />Torrance - Brisbane<br />Connolly , Robertson- NSW<br />McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-


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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 27 December 25 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Baptisms to Alexander Steuart and Jean Walker, all in Cambusnethan: Alexander 1814, Marrion 1816, Elisabeth 1819, Jean 1823, John 1826, Mary 1828, Henry 1830.

1841 Census: Torbush, Cambusethan: Alexander Stewart, 45; Jean Walker, 46; Elisabeth, 22; Jean, 19; John, 16; Henry, 7; Alexander Smith, 5 months.

1851 census, Morningside, Cambusnethan: Alexander Stewart, 56; wife Jean, 57; children Janet, 15; Jean, 12; Ann, 9; Alexander, 4; John, 1.

1861: Alexander S, 70, married; daughter Elizabeth, 42 and grandson Alexander, 17.

Looks as if they were a bit shaky when it came to knowing how old they were.
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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 27 December 25 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes just a tad. I already have them on the census returns but thank you for looking them up :) Also have all their kids BMD records.

@Lodger is there online access to the Poor Books for the area ? (I have other ones where they might be helpful)
Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland <br />Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)<br />McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk<br />Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire <br />Torrance - Brisbane<br />Connolly , Robertson- NSW<br />McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-

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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 27 December 25 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Also have all their kids BMD records.
I take it then that either there are no witnesses listed, or the witnesses don't provide any clues?
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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 27 December 25 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Not a single one. They all just say dad's name (Alexander Stewart) lawful son/daughter, child's name,  born onb (date) and baptised on (date). No mum's name no sponsors/witnesses
Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland <br />Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)<br />McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk<br />Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire <br />Torrance - Brisbane<br />Connolly , Robertson- NSW<br />McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 27 December 25 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Also have all their kids BMD records.
I take it then that either there are no witnesses listed, or the witnesses don't provide any clues?

It's Alexander Stewart born in 1814's parents BMD info I'm looking for. I have all the BMD for Alexander, his siblings and his (and their) kids all the way through to me
Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland <br />Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)<br />McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk<br />Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire <br />Torrance - Brisbane<br />Connolly , Robertson- NSW<br />McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-