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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 28 December 25 00:54 GMT (UK) »
I've been dipping back and to into this between the brandy, port and mince pies and this is all I can find, still a lot of unanswered questions.

How did Adelaide Gregory, who came from such an unstable background come to meet and marry Bateman Hutchinson. Adelaide was supposedly in Lambeth and unmarried in November 1905 when daughter Ruby was born.
Bateman Hutchinson was single in April 1906 when he emigrated to Canada .

Bateman arrived in Victoria, BC on February 27, 1905 and was single, 27 and was in transit to San Francisco. His occupation was listed as ''S. Cabinet Maker.''


Here's an interesting one -- On May 22, 1908, Bateman, age 30 and wife Catherine, age 26, arrived in New York City, NY aboard the ship Etruria. His occupation was Civil Engineer and their destination was Victoria BC. Both listed as born in Ireland but it's known that he was born in England. (Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935)


Published in the Crag & Canyon, Banff, Alberta where Bateman died - November 21, 1930
".... his full obituary and at end Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."


Adelaide GREGORY the d/o Burnett and Mary was in British Columbia in Canada by 1931 as she married at Victoria as Adelaide HUTCHINSON a widow to Francis PAGET. Image of marriage is on Familysearch, just search for Mary Elvester born 1853. First Husband was Bateman HUTCHINSON

Adelaide arrived in BC in 1908 as Mrs Hutchinson.


Ruby Gregory was born 25 Nov 1905 and baptized 1st Dec 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth and she was listed only as the daughter of Adelaide Gregory, no occupation, abode 41 Jeffreys Road which was Clapham Maternity Hospital (later Annie McCall Maternity Hosp).

 Is this Adelaide -- I'll check into this one!!
Immigration  Event Date   Jul 1906 Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Port   Quebec, QC Ship Name   Empress of Britain
Ada Gregory  Birthplace   England
 Read write YES
To Be Deported  610010 ?
Single Waitress County Came From Oxford  destination Hamilton Ontario
I couldn't find a marriage record for Bateman and Adelaide and since Clifford was born in 1916, birth records for BC are only viewable up to 1903.

Adelaide and Clifford should be in the 1931 Canada Census because she didn't marry Francis Paget until after Census was taken.


1921 CANADA CENSUS - 935 Craigflower Rd., Esquimalt, BC
Bateman Hutchinson Head 42 England; Year of Immigration: 1904
Adelaide Hutchinson  Wife 37 England; Year of Immigration: 1908
Clifford Hutchinson Son 4 British Columbia

Adelaide departed from Montreal, Quebec, Canada on October 26, 1923 to visit England. She arrived on Nov 2, 1923 and her proposed address while there was Craven Hotel, Craven Road, London.

CANADA OCEAN ARRIVALS
Name Adelaide Hutchinson
Estimated Birth Year    abt 1884
Birth Place    England
Age    39
Date of Arrival    22 Dec 1923
Port of Arrival    Saint John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure    London, England
Ship Name    Montlaurier
Relatives's Name  Bateman Hutchinson
Relative's Address  909 Government Street, Victoria BC

I will definitely look into those 2 references to Clifford Hutchinson -- the 2nd one is definitely Adelaide's son and the 1938 student looks as though it could definitely be him.
Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 28 December 25 20:09 GMT (UK) »
More.
 Canada, Quaker Meeting Records, Minutes, 1912-1967  Possibly 1915
Bateman Hutchinson 121 Langley Street , Victoria BC

in 1921 census  The Hutchinsons  were at Nanaimo  on the east coast of Vancouver Island, in British Columbia, Canada. Bateman was a land surveyor, so probably moved around with his work. About 110 km from Victoria

Adelaide departed from Montreal, Quebec, Canada on October 26, 1923 to visit England. She arrived on Nov 2, 1923 and her proposed address while there was Craven Hotel, Craven Road, London

Francis Forester Paget engineer aged  51 departure Montreal arrival date 2 November 1923 Arrival Liverpool
Ship Montrose.    145919. Destination Craven Hotel, Craven Street .
Entry 76 . Adelaide was Entry 50. They arrived on the same ship , same date and were going to the same hotel.
Is this just an amazing coincidence, did they already know each other ?

Adelaide lived and married in Victoria, British Columbia,
Bateman Hutchinson  is buried in Banff, Canmore Census Division, Alberta.
Published in the Crag & Canyon, Banff, Alberta where Bateman died - November 21, 1930
".... his full obituary and at end Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."
 Why did he died in Banff, was he working there. He was 52.  It`s a very big headstone,

!931 Adelaide  or Clifford  are not  found.

In 1931 census taken June 1st 1931
Glenshill , Victoria. There were about 28 people there , mostly born England, but 5 Chinese servants.
Head Violet M Allen
Francis F Paget  58 single lodger b England

Marriage  2 Nov 1931    Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Francis Forester Paget Age 59 Birthplace   Leicestershire, England    Bachelor
Adelaide Hutchinson widow
Only 12 months after Batemans death and 7 years after they were on the same ship going to the same hotel.

On 24 September 1938  a Clifford Hutchinson  student 22 arrived in Southampton from Canada .
He was going to Mr H Calvert 35A Nevern Square , London SW5 .
Is this Adelaide`s son. This address had quite a few  boarding houses  along with quite well of residents.

Clifford Bateman Hutchinson
Topic   Crime Residence Date   25 Jun 1956
Residence Place   Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Publication Date   25 Jun 1956 Newspaper Title   Times Colonist
I don’t have access to this.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
Name   Francis Forester Paget Death Date   6 Oct 1950
Death Place   British Columbia Probate Date 21 May 1951 Probate RegistryVictoria
Probate Victoria to Adelaide Paget Constance  Catherine Aldersey and Walter Massie Aldersey.
Effects £38700 0s 1d in England, Sealed London 21 May

Didn`t Adelaide do well  :)
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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 28 December 25 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Name   Constance Catherine Paget
Marriage Age   25
Marriage Date   17 Apr 1923
Marriage Place   Worcester St Martin-in-the-Cornmarket, Worcestershire, England
Father  Charles John Paget
Spouse  Walter Massie Aldersey
both fathers were Gentlemen
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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #48 on: Monday 29 December 25 00:58 GMT (UK) »

Wow!! You've really been playing Sherlock Holmes!

Regarding the Ada Gregory in this 1906 record - I don't think it's Adelaide and I found an Ada Gregory who died in Hamilton, Ontario as well.

Immigration  Event Date   Jul 1906 Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Port   Quebec, QC Ship Name   Empress of Britain
Ada Gregory  Birthplace   England
 Read write YES
To Be Deported  610010 ?
Single Waitress County Came From Oxford  destination Hamilton Ontario

Bateman's obit from his FindAGrave profile =
Published in the Crag & Canyon
Banff, Alberta
November 21, 1930

On Sunday afternoon, Nov. 16, the remains of Bateman Hutchinson were laid to rest in the Banff cemetery following church services in St. George's Church, Rev. H. Tully Montgomery officiating.

Banff was shocked on the Friday morning previous to hear of the sudden passing of deceased. For some time Mr. Hutcinson had not been in good health following a fall from a horse that occurred to him more that a year ago in the vicinity of Mount Assiniboine. In the fall he sustained a broken arm and complications ensued.

Deceased who was 52 years and 4 months of age, was a well-known surveyor in Victoria where he resided for 25 years. About three years ago he entered the employ of the C.P.R. and was stationed at Banff most of the time. His family moved to Banff last spring and occupied Gair Lodge on Caribou Street.

Deceased complained of severe pains on the night previous to his death and again shortly before daylight. A few minutes previous to his death he drank a cup of tea and lay down again. Fifteen minutes later he was discovered dead by Mrs. Hutchinson.

Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."



Amazing what you found regarding Adelaide and future husband Francis Paget on same ship going to same hotel!!!

Did they already know each other or did they get to know each other while in England?? We'll never know but judging by the amount of money left to Adelaide and Catherine and Walter - Adelaide did do very well for herself compared to where she came from!


On 24 September 1938 a Clifford Hutchinson  student 22 arrived in Southampton from Canada .
He was going to Mr H Calvert 35A Nevern Square , London SW5.

Is this Adelaide`s son. This address had quite a few  boarding houses  along with quite well of residents.

I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.

In the 1939 England & Wales Register, there was a Harold Calvert born 1919/1920 living at another number of Nevern Street - was he the same Harold? what happened to Mary?


Clifford Bateman Hutchinson
Topic   Crime Residence Date   25 Jun 1956
Residence Place   Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Publication Date   25 Jun 1956 Newspaper Title   Times Colonist
I don’t have access to this.  I'll try to find this if I can.

Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations


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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #49 on: Monday 29 December 25 19:19 GMT (UK) »
<I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.>

Just to note that was on the electoral register. 35A appears to be vacant come the 1939 national register. I doubt it would be the same Harold as is in 12 Nevern Rd on the national register as he'd only be 19 and thus too young to be on the electoral register (voting age was 21 at that time)

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #50 on: Monday 29 December 25 23:45 GMT (UK) »
<I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.>

Just to note that was on the electoral register. 35A appears to be vacant come the 1939 national register. I doubt it would be the same Harold as is in 12 Nevern Rd on the national register as he'd only be 19 and thus too young to be on the electoral register (voting age was 21 at that time)

Thanks for clarifying that it wouldn't be the same Harold Calvert who would have been too young to be on the Electoral Register ... I'm going to keep searching just in case they were related somehow to Clifford as it may be the "elusive missing link"  :)
Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations