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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 25 December 25 17:34 GMT (UK) »
The family also appear to have had this child who died

GREGORY, FLORENCE  BURNETT   mmn ELVESTER     
GRO Ref 1878  D Qter WOOLWICH  Vol 01D  Page 1084

Given the middle name Burnett I wonder whether this is the family in 1881??

Burnett   Gregory   45   Labourer general   Ireland
Mary   Gregory   28   Ireland
Louise   Gregory   8   Ireland
William   Gregory   Son   1 Charlton, Kent

Birth registration
22 January 1882 Adelaide Gregory pob 10 West Street Chatham
 father Burnett Gregory gen lab registered by mother Mary Gregory/ Elvester  made mark X

I got the details from GRO

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 25 December 25 17:45 GMT (UK) »




10 May 1879 Woolwich Gazette
DEATH OF A CHILD.-THE mother   CENSURED. An inquest was held at  Woolwich,  on the body  of Florence Burnett Gregory, aged seven months, son of James Gregory, of 4, Norris-place, Sand-street, Woolwich. Mary Gregory, mother of the deceased, said that she left home on a Saturday evening in March to go shopping, leaving the child in charge of her (witness) little sister, Maria  Cox. She was then quite well, and when she got back about 10 o'clock found the child crying. She did not call a doctor until Monday, when Dr. Traitor came and attended it for a week. After that, she sent for Dr. Britt  who told her that the child's neck was hurt. Dr. Fee. Tau afterwards came and advised her to take the child to the Ophthalmic Hospital, which she did twice. A witness named Margaret Green, whose mother had occupied a room at Mrs. Gregory's, said that she  later went out on the evening of the 18 h of March and returned at 10 o'clock very drunk. The husband also came home and a disturbance took place. Witness was carrying the child up stairs when Mrs. Gregory laid hold of her and took the infant from her arm, and it fell on its head. She pulled it up and gave it to its mother, who let it fall a second  time. Maria Cox, the sister referred to, gave evidence, and was told by the coroner and jury that they did not believe a word she said. It was stated that Mrs. Gregory was in the habit of indulging in too much drink occasionally and that when drunk she was very violent. Dr. Fegan stated he had made a post mortem  examination and found the neck of the child dislocated. There were no marks of violence, but the body was emaciated. The injuries might have been caused by the child falling as described. After consulting together the jury returned a verdict of " Accidental Death, with a recommendation to the coroner to severely censure the mother for her gross neglect and drunkenness." The Coroner informed the mother of the jury's request and told her she had narrowly escaped being sent to prison. lie hoped that the memory of the deceased child would rise up a warning to her in the future ; and that it would restrain her in her terrible habit of drinking.

1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett   Gregory   45   Labourer general b Tyrone   Ireland
Mary   Gregory   28  b Curragh  Ireland
Louise   Gregory   8  b Currah  Ireland
William   Gregory   Son   1 Chatham

So, presumably the little sister is Mary's sister,  If Mary was previously Elvester then is Maria Cox married.?
Guessing the fathers full name may be James Burnett Gregory,  possibly married in Ireland.



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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 25 December 25 19:16 GMT (UK) »

10 May 1879 Woolwich Gazette
DEATH OF A CHILD.-THE mother CENSURED.

1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett   Gregory   45   Labourer general b Tyrone   Ireland
Mary   Gregory   28  b Curragh  Ireland
Louise   Gregory   8  b Currah  Ireland
William   Gregory   Son   1 Chatham

So, presumably the little sister is Mary's sister,  If Mary was previously Elvester then is Maria Cox married.?
Guessing the fathers full name may be James Burnett Gregory, possibly married in Ireland.

WOW! wow! is all I can say and THANK YOU!! I was guessing his name was James Burnett Gregory as well and wonder about this baptism I found -- unfortunately NO birth registration to check.

Clara Ann Gregory, daughter of Barnett or Burnett and Mary Gregory took place on December 13, 1885 at St John, Blackheath, Kent -- was it another daughter of theirs? (Not sure if I'm allowed to put sharing link here to Ancestry?)

Anyway, an interesting possible link (?) is the baptism for Annie Patricia Gregory on Oct 27, 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth with single mother Annie Clara Gregory, also at 41 Jeffreys Rd, the same maternity hospital & place of baptism as Ruby Gregory, d/o Adelaide Gregory (Nov 1905).
Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 26 December 25 10:38 GMT (UK) »
1911Church Rd, Ottershaw, Surrey

Herbert Lilley 47Head
Elizabeth Lilley 45Wife
Lily Lilley 12Daughter
Florence Lilley 9Daughter
Annie Gregory 5 Nurse Child b Clapham 
Possible for the Annie Patricia.
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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 26 December 25 10:53 GMT (UK) »
In 1921 Annie appears to be in the Dr Barnardo's Home in Hackney. Aged 15 yrs 8 mths. In training for Domestic Service.

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 26 December 25 17:05 GMT (UK) »
1911Church Rd, Ottershaw, Surrey

Herbert Lilley 47Head
Elizabeth Lilley 45Wife
Lily Lilley 12Daughter
Florence Lilley 9Daughter
Annie Gregory 5 Nurse Child b Clapham 
Possible for the Annie Patricia.

They definitely seem to be a family that either hide from the Census takers or are out of the country  when they come round!

If you were to check WikiTreeDOTcom and type in Mary Elvester 1853 Athlone, county Westmeath, you'll be able to view all that I've managed to put together for the Elvester family.

I found the connection between Maria Cox and Mary Elvester Gregory -- they were sisters and little Maria's mother remarried to Samuel Cock in 1870 (Cox/Cock spelling depends on Census viewed) -- but my! a 10 year old girl looking after a 7 mo old baby niece is a bit much for her to handle.

Thanks for your continued sleuthing!!
Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #33 on: Friday 26 December 25 17:07 GMT (UK) »
In 1921 Annie appears to be in the Dr Barnardo's Home in Hackney. Aged 15 yrs 8 mths. In training for Domestic Service.

Ian C

Thanks for finding this! Her mother Annie Clara / Clara Annie Gregory born 1885 isn't easily found in either 1891 or 1901 Census and yet she's alive --- the entire family appear to always be avoiding Census takers  :(
Cheshire, Eng: HADDOCK, WORRALL, GOULDING, DICKINSON, DIMELOW

Lancashire, Eng:  LITTLER, FARRIMOND, BILSBURY, DICKENSON, DICKINSON, THOMASON

Lanarkshire, Scotland: AIRTH, GARDNER, JAMIESON, PARK, URIE, SMELLIE, TITCHBORNE

Midlothian Scotland:  AIRTH, EDMOND, GILCHRIST

Perthshire Scotland: FISHER, McLAREN, STEWART, McGREGOR
 
Renfrewshire, Scotland: HAMILTON, McKECHNIE, McKECHANY + variations

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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #34 on: Friday 26 December 25 18:43 GMT (UK) »

Edited . Checking the orinal image again , Mary was born Atlone . Ireland,

1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett   Gregory   45   Labourer general b Tyrone   Ireland
Mary   Gregory   28  b Curragh  Ireland xxx
Louise   Gregory   8  b Currah  Ireland
William   Gregory   Son   1 Chatham


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Re: Ruby Gregory born 1905 Lambeth Where Was She in 1911 Census?
« Reply #35 on: Friday 26 December 25 19:06 GMT (UK) »
1871 Farnborough
Samuel Cox 48Head
Susan Cox 38Wife
John Eluester 13Stepson
Louisa Eluester 7Stepdaughter
)Maria Eluester1Stepdaughter

1881 2 Sand Street xx
Samuel Cock 50Head
Susan Cock 51Wife
Maria Cock11Daughter
J.W. Chester 24Boarder

Florence Burnett Gregory died in 1879 in Sand Street.
I can see that you have worked this out.

Possibly going back  to Luke Elvester and Susan Mullins in Ireland.
It's quite confusing isn't it.

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