Joyce family in Tuam Looking for births of Michael c1856 and Annie c1868

[Elwyn Soutter]

In Ireland the term herd usually means someone who looks after a farm on behalf of the owner. If you look at the outoffices return for the 1911 census of Ballina townland you will see that John’s property included a cow house, piggery, fowl house, barn & shed. A simple shepherd doesn’t normally need all those. John lived on a farm but probably wasn’t himself the tenant farmer. See final post on this query about the term:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=442833.9

If you look at Ballina on Griffiths Valuation (in parish of Killererin) you will see that nearly all the properties there were farms, plus there was one herd’s house with offices and 56 acres of land. Someone who is simply a shepherd doesn't normally have 56 acres of land.

A similar definition here:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2056842496/herds-house

[Kiltaglassan]

...... their daughter Mary (my wife,s mother)was born nr ballyglunin Dec 1904 ,"

Do you have the birth certificate for Mary FLAHERY b. Dec 1904?

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1905/01791/1703239.pdf

Born at Ballina townland, father John Flaherty a herd.  MMN Joyce

Ballina townland north-west of Abbeyknockmoy.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/clare/killererin/ballynapark/ballina/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4097404#map=12/53.4754/-8.8131

[avidt]

Hi Neale

Thanks for your help, those are the correct Census entries. Michael and Annie are siblings as when there was a dispute over the home place, my wife's parents moved in with Mary's Uncle Michael in Glenafosha. Also my wife's oldest sister remembers Grandad John coming to the house. Kind Regards David

[avidt]

Hi Kiltaglas 

Many thanks for the information on the Townlands. I do have the birth certificate for Mary Flaherty.Kind Regards  David

[avidt]

Hi Elwyn

Many thanks for the kind definition of the term herd, I am learning so much from this thread thanks to all you kind people.  Kind Regards  David

[Neale1961]

Also my wife's oldest sister remembers Grandad John coming to the house.

Who was Grandad John?  JOhn Flaherty?

[avidt]

Hi Neale

Yes this is John Flaherty , my sister in law is 92 and she was the favourite. Kind Regards David. Do have a wonderful Christmas with your family

[avidt]

Hi Neale

Just a thought, my wife remembers her mother's eldest brother Michael coming to see them at glenafosha .  Kind Regards David

[Kiltaglassan]

Did Mary, born 1904, have siblings?

Can you name these siblings please.

For information for the OP, if he doesn't have it.

Other siblings born at Ballina (see 1911 census, reply #5)-
Michael 1900, John 1902, Honor 1907
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/search/?church-or-civil=civil&firstname=&lastname=Flaherty&location=Tuam&yearStart=1898&yearEnd=1915&event-birth=1&_day=&month=&mothers-surname=Joyce&age-at-death=&relation-0=

https://tinyurl.com/37mkanjs