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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #27 on: Friday 26 December 25 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Is this him at Portland Prison in Dorset in 1871?
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John Clay, Convict, 37, Engineer, born Durham South Shields
TS says he was widowed.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RS-K5G

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https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/60ae51ecf493fd75d061bf90

There is a South Shields baptism that fits this:
John Clay of Nile Street, South Shields, son of John (ship owner) and Margaret Clay
25 June 1835 South Shields, St Hilda and also 25 June South Shields, Holy Trinity

In 1851 what looks to be this this family is in Cleadon Meadows, where John Clay snr. is "Ship Owner and Mayor of South Shields"
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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #28 on: Friday 26 December 25 10:48 GMT (UK) »

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There is a South Shields baptism that fits this:
John Clay of Nile Street, South Shields, son of John (ship owner) and Margaret Clay
25 June 1835 South Shields, St Hilda and also 25 June South Shields, Holy Trinity


Looks like that John Clay got married in Canada in 1875. Age 40, engineer from England, parents John & Margaret. Married Esther Truscott.


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7921/images/ONMS932_17-0387?pId=2761858

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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #29 on: Friday 26 December 25 13:00 GMT (UK) »
Did he go back to North America after his release from jail in the UK?

There is this prison record from Sing Sing: John Clay, 62, born England, mechanical engineer, sentenced to 2 years in New York, for Grand Larceny in the 2nd degree, 22 September 1893. Wife Etta, 109 W105th Street.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8922/records/71529

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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #30 on: Friday 26 December 25 13:25 GMT (UK) »
An 1869 Prison Register at FindMyPast has him as "widower, one child"
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« Reply #31 on: Friday 26 December 25 14:40 GMT (UK) »
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An 1869 Prison Register at FindMyPast has him as "widower, one child"

I posted a link to that one earlier today:

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Per the Pentonville register he was aged 36, a widower with one child.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA%2FCCC%2F2D%2FHO24%2F00097740&tab=this
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« Reply #32 on: Friday 26 December 25 14:44 GMT (UK) »
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An 1869 Prison Register at FindMyPast has him as "widower, one child"

I posted a link to that one earlier today:

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Per the Pentonville register he was aged 36, a widower with one child.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA%2FCCC%2F2D%2FHO24%2F00097740&tab=this

Apologies, I thought that I had only seen references to ‘widower’.
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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #33 on: Friday 26 December 25 15:12 GMT (UK) »
New York World, July 9th 1893:

JOHN CLAY WEPT IN COURT.
He is Held for Cheating the Management of the Hotel Monopole.

John Clay, fifty-eight years old, was a prisoner at the Jefferson Market Court yesterday, and Justice Hogan held him in $500 for trial The complainant is Manager Rufus W. Frost, of the Broadway Central Hotel,who says that Clay is a cheat and owes him for three weeks' board. The prisoner represents
himself as an agent for Watts & Co., the English mechanical engineers.
Clay does not deny owing this bill and says that he will pay it when an expected remittance of £50 arrives from London. The hotel people were disposed to be lenient untit they earned that Clay had left an account unpaid at the United States Hotel amounting to $250. Clay wept aloud in court.

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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 27 December 25 06:14 GMT (UK) »
Another possible sighting: New York arrival 1856 - John Clay 24 engineer, with Elizabeth Clay aged 18.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7488/records/1275424
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Re: Hammersmith address
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 27 December 25 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Alison - do you have his physical description from the Horton case notes?  We can cross check  with the Sing Sing description.
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