Hammersmith address

[jonwarrn]

Is there a occupation or former occupation on the death certificate?

Records of Horton are at the London Archives, those you can see include
H22/HT/B/08
Register of patients; includes name, age, address, occupation, diagnosis and further clinical information

John was admitted 25 June 1908, so I guess you would need
H22/HT/B/08/004
Civil pauper register of patients
Jan 1907 - Jun 1908

Unfortunatley the case book of male patients, Aug 1907 - Jan 1909, is deemed to be unit for consultation
Catalogue pdf here (includes records for Banstead)
https://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/H22.PDF

[alison300]

Thanks Jonwarm - I have a copy of his case notes; his occupation was engineer but I can't find a match for him on the census.  I'm beginning to think he used an alias or perhaps his name was spelt wrong etc.

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Looking at the newspapers, there is a John Clay, consulting enginer, who was charged with forgery in 1869
Bradford Observer, 18 June 1869
SERIOUS CHARGE AGAINST A CONSULTING ENGINEER.Yesterday, at the Hull Borough Police Court, before the stipendiary magistrate, a young man, of gentlemanly appearance, named John Clay, was charged with uttering a forged bill of exchange for £70 10s. The prisoner, who is consulting engineer in a large engineering establishment in Hull...

The case ended up at the York Assizes, where he was found gulity and sentenced to five years penal servitute.
Age was 36, which is in the right ballpark.

So there seem to be quite a few records for this chap in the criminal databases online, but I don't have access to them at the moment.
However, it seems he was sent to Broadmoor?
Though he may not still be there in the 1871 census?

Entries in ancestry's England, Criminal Lunatic Asylum Registers, 1820-1876
Name  John Clay
Conviction Age 36
Birth Date abt 1833
Charge Forgery
Sentence 5
Conviction Date   29 Jul 1869
Conviction Place   York

Something to investigate perhaps.

[jonwarrn]

Is this him at Portland Prison in Dorset in 1871?
From free transcript
John Clay, Convict, 37, Engineer, born Durham South Shields
TS says he was widowed.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RS-K5G

Throw in another transcript!
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/60ae51ecf493fd75d061bf90

[jonwarrn]

Another case, this time from Birmingham Police Court in 1887
Age is out, but it says he had a previous conviction for forgery, so I'll throw it in just in case
Birmingham Daily Post, 20 April 1887
ALLEGED FORGERY.—John Clay (59), engineer, of no fixed residence, was charged with forging and uttering an acceptance to a bill of exchange for £88.10s., with intent to defraud

EDIT
Actually the age isn't that much out (my bad maths!), born circa 1828, so again in the right ballpark.

[jonwarrn]

Well it seems to be the same chap.
He got another five years!
Verdict attached

Hopefully online criminal records will prove useful.

[jonwarrn]

Although if he is the John Clay age 61 in prison in Chatham in 1891, it says he was born in Birmingham?
Or is that because the crime took place there?
TS gives occupation as Steam Engineer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVMR-5ZM

[Ladyhawk]

It’s under o’Donnell on free BDM but Clay must have been transcribed wrongly because he is missing.

dec qtr 1876 St Albans marriage.

For info. Transcription only

Marriage  22 Oct 1876 St. Albans, Abbey, Herts, Eng.
Herbert Babington Clay age 22 father Alexander
Spouse Alicia Sarah Kathleen O'Donnell age 21 father George

Possible family connection?

"February 7th at the Parish Church, Kingston on Thames, by the Rev Howard NIXON, E P KEEVIL, C E, only son of J KEEVIL Esq, of Wanborough Plain, to Alicia Sara Kathleen CLAY, wid , of H B CLAY Esq, & dau of G O'DONNELL Esq, Kingston on Thames"

(Various newspapers, February 1887)

marriage image on Anc*y

Alicia Sara Kathleen Clay 30 widow father George O’Donnell,gentleman
Spouse   Edward Peter Keevil, occ  civil engineer

[ShaunJ]

Looking at the newspapers, there is a John Clay, consulting engineer, who was charged with forgery in 1869

Per the Pentonville register he was aged 36, a widower with one child.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA%2FCCC%2F2D%2FHO24%2F00097740&tab=this