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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 01 January 26 10:36 GMT (UK) »
The signatures don't match

The GRO copy I just received looks to me that neither Winnie or Johnny signed the cert - and the whole cert was written by the same person -so is a handwritten copy of the original chapel record

Richard19 - does Winifred Frader’s signature on the 1914 marriage look similar to the signature on the 1902 marriage of Edith Winifred Gamage 19,  Father Elias, butcher

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 01 January 26 18:15 GMT (UK) »
I started a short tree on FindMyPast for Winnie Gamage so I can see clearer, and yes Trevor Wilks Gamage B 22 March 1877 was the brother of Winnie Gamage.
Both were the children of Elias Gamage and Esther Abraham B1855 (Esther was d/O William Abraham  and Sarah (nee Lewis)

I think you're right on Annie Llewellyn as shows up as a hint as Trevor's wife and is recorded on his probate as Annie Xylander.

Winnie Gamage shows up a comedic actress and dancer in South Wales esp at the New and Empire theatres in Cardiff circa 1910 - 1914 - it looks like she used Gamage as her stage name but used Frader for her private life
Her most notable part was in the musical "Drummer Boys," where she danced with another actress Dora Grey. 

So maybe Winnie Gamage born Swansea D/O Elias Gamage and Esther (nee Abraham) is the Winnie Frader I'm looking for



I don't know if there's any connection to Winnie Frader who married 1914 Bangor  :-\

Trevor Wilks Gamage age 4 Born 22 Mar 1877
Baptism    27 Apr 1881 Swansea St Mary,  Father   Elias Gamage Mother Esther

Trevor Gamage
Record Type   Admission
Admission Date   8 Jul 1911
Institution   Brecon
Institution Place   Breconshire, Wales
Death Date   19 Apr 1912
Death Place   Breconshire, Wales

Trevor Gamage age 33 abode The Brecon & Radnor Asylum
Burial  22 Apr 191? Talgarth, Breconshire

On the off chance I checked his d/c he died 19 April 1912 informant medical superintendent of the Asylum

Trevor Gamage of 12 Kensington Terrace Swansea died 19 April 1912  at The Brecon & Radnor Asylum Talgarth
Administration 12 March 1915 to Annie Xylandar (wife of Otto)

Otto Xylander
Record Type   Marriage Banns
Marriage Banns Date   30 Mar, 6 April,13 April 1913
Marriage Banns Place   Cockett, Glamorganshire, Wales
Marriage 20 Apr 1913
Residence Place   Swansea St Mary
Spouse   Annie Gamage

Annie Xylander died age 76 - 1951 Jul-Aug-Sep Swansea Volume 8b Page   520

Annie Xylander Alias Annie Gamage
Nationality   German
Birth  13 Sep 1876 Birth Place Clydach, Swansea
Image to view on Anc*y UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945

I'm not sure but I think Annie Gamage maybe nee Llewellyn and married Trevor Gamage 1905

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 01 January 26 19:04 GMT (UK) »
There's a lot of results on here for Gamage / Gammage , it looks like they were a family of butchers for quite some time. Trevor,  Annie,  Otto appear in the last pages.
It may help with the tree. Nothing to help with Winnie though.

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