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Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« on: Wednesday 17 December 25 17:21 GMT (UK) »
I have Winnie's marriage to John Michael Basham in Bangor, Caenarvonshire in 1914.
On the 1921 census she was in Llandudno (birth place given as Swansea) and in 1939 she was in Agincourt Street, Newport.

Other than that I can't find any other info for her -  does anyone know anything about her?

any help is appreciated

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the marriage certificate to see who her parents were,  it was a Civil marriage
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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 17:51 GMT (UK) »
1921 probably on holiday in a boarding house.
Place of work 17 Whitegate Road Wrexham.
Daughter Winifred born in Wrexham 1914 mmn  Frader.

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 18:04 GMT (UK) »
You probably have this, he was a local hero in Wrexham.
https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/172


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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 18:30 GMT (UK) »
I just ordered the marriage cert so will be a couple of weeks before I get it and I'm aware that Winnie and Johnny had a daughter (Winifred Margaret born 31 Jul 1914 in Wrexham).

I know a lot about John Michael (Johnny) but nothing else about Winnie.
I suspect she could have been of German origin as Frader isn't a typically British name - but have nothing to support that theory.

There's also a possibility that John Michael had a daughter before he married Winnie (Ivy A M Hemmings born 19 May 1913 in Newport Mon)



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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 18:36 GMT (UK) »
You may well be right, as the only Frader on freebmd for all UK is the marriage for Winnie in 1914
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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if connected to your Winnie, there is this electrol. Also in household at no 4 is Winifred Basham & Beatrice Holland who looks like she was nee Basham.

Electrol
Name   William David Radbone (wife is Annie F)
Residence Year   1932-1933
Street Address   Vincent Street 4 (Swansea)
Residence Place   Glamorgan, Wales

There is a marriage in 1904  Swansea - Beatrice Basham to Frederick Holland

Also this..which may not connect
Name   Beatrice Maud Holland Basham
Topic   Human Interest
Residence Date   29 Jan 1937
Residence Place   Swansea, West Glamorgan, Wales
Publication Date   29 Jan 1937
Publication Place   Swansea, West Glamorgan, Wales
Newspaper Title   South Wales Evening Post

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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 19:11 GMT (UK) »
There's a lot of Fraters in Pontypridd area, from 1871 onwards ,Robert Frater and wife Euphemia  both b Scotland
Can't see a Winnie in the mix.
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Re: Winifred Frader (Winnie) B1889 is Missing
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 December 25 19:22 GMT (UK) »
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