Ellen Catherine Evans 1902

[wilcoxon]

Burial 23 November 1889 Glanogwen
Simon Williams 59 abode No 29 Twr Bethesda.
Good of the clerk to be precise with the addresses.

[Cas (stallc)]

Just for info..

The nephew with family in 1911 is son of Griffith, brother of William.

Birth reg
EVANS, GRIFFITH  RICHARD mmn    SAMBIDGE 
GRO Reference: 1909  M Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 408

Her first marriage
Marriages Mar Q 1902   
Ruffles    Patrick        Bangor    11b   635    
Sambidge    Rose Ethel        Bangor    11b   635

2nd marriage both were widowed
Marriages Sep Q 1906   
Evans    Griffith Richard        Bangor    11b   699    
RUFFLES    Rose Ethel        Bangor    11b   699    

Death
EVANS, ROSE  ETHEL  age   28 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 311

Griffith with older brother Robert & family in 1911
 

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

I wonder if the mix up of the name Ellen Catherine is husband Henry Parry mother was Catherine Ellen. The Parry family in 1921 are living same area as the Evans family.

There is no evidence she is Ellen Catherine from birthdate from cert, (kindly supplied by SS) or 1939 register birthdate with Henry & family.

The baptism found, came under Glanogwen which was within Bethesda, Twr is an address the Williams family are at in census, so it all seems to fit.

Edit - no Nellie Evans or variant registered Bangor 1902 for June or Sept Q

[Cas (stallc)]

Looking at the family in Llandwrog you mention.

1911 William is a Widow with 3 daughters, eldest Maggie is indexed as 44 but is 11 in 1911

1901 for family
Llandwrog
William Evans 33   Head
Mary Evans 27 Wife
Maggie Evans 8 Months Daughter
John Owen 34 Boarder

1901 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7815/records/33237358

Possible
Marriages Sep Q 1899   
Evans    William        Carnarvon    11b   648    
Roberts    Mary Ann        Carnarvon    11b   648    
THOMAS    Mary        Carnarvon    11b   648   
WILLIAMS    William Trevor        Carnarvon    11b   648

Also possible, but there are others
EVANS, MAGGIE    mmn   THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 406

Not finding a birth for Ellen in Llandwrog around May in 1902 reg district Carnavon

Could be born in 3rd Q 1902 registered 1st Q 1903
EVANS, ELLEN   mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 404
 
EVANS, ELIZABETH  mmn  THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 394

1921 Llandwrog William Evans is living in Llanllyfni, Caernarvonshire, only Maggie & Lizzy in household unmarried

1921 -  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/63151/records/35846054

[Wodgemac]

Thanks everyone.

Looking at the 1871 and 1881 census's for Simon Williams, the ages of a couple of the children don't seem to match up. Did they die and then the parents named future children after them?

With regards to Ellen Catherine being mixed up you could be right Cas, with her being mixed up with Catherine Ellen

For some obscure reason in my tree I have put Mary Evans born c1874 married to William Evans, as Margaret!! But I have the 1901 census with her called Mary?!!!

Richard

[osprey]

I think that you have mixed 2 families, the one with wife Mary that I had posted then scored out because the Ellen born 13 May 1902 is the daughter of the Maggie Williams married to William Evans, not the daughter of the Mary Thomas married to a different William Evans.

[Cas (stallc)]

Thanks everyone.

Looking at the 1871 and 1881 census's for Simon Williams, the ages of a couple of the children don't seem to match up. Did they die and then the parents named future children after them?

With regards to Ellen Catherine being mixed up you could be right Cas, with her being mixed up with Catherine Ellen

For some obscure reason in my tree I have put Mary Evans born c1874 married to William Evans, as Margaret!! But I have the 1901 census with her called Mary?!!!

Richard

The youngest child in 1871 is Ellen not Ellis. Those older have maybe left, working, or possibly died by 1881

WILLIAMS, ELLEN  JANE     mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 548

Possible marriage

Marriages Sep Q 1869   
HUGHES    Mary Ann        Bangor    11b   655    
JONES    William        Bangor    11b   655    
THOMAS    Ellen        Bangor    11b   655    
WILLIAMS    Simon        Bangor    11b   655

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

There is a possible first marriage for the older children in 1871

Marriages Jun Q 1856 
ROBERTS    Jane        Bangor    11b   896   
WILLIAMS    Simon        Bangor    11b   896

Added - it is possible the first Margaret b 1856 died by 1881. Possibly that is why she was called Maggie. Maybe in memory of first Margaret. Ellen may also wanted to call a daughter Margaret/Maggie.

[Wodgemac]

I think that you have mixed 2 families, the one with wife Mary that I had posted then scored out because the Ellen born 13 May 1902 is the daughter of the Maggie Williams married to William Evans, not the daughter of the Mary Thomas married to a different William Evans.

Yeah I had the census for Mary attached to Margaret... DOh