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Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« on: Sunday 14 December 25 00:58 GMT (UK) »
Ure Westall (transcribed as Una or Rose) born 1925 has recently been unredacted from 1939 Register and I am puzzled. She has 2 entries, one staying with her uncle and aunt, Leonard George and Evelyn Hyde, in Whitstable, Kent. Appears to indicate that she married 'Jones' and 'Maitland'. On the right page it says 'see page 21'.

On page 21 she appears again, along with nearly a page full of redacted names, this time indicating that she married 'Maitland'

Firstly, I am wondering why she appears twice.
Secondly, I know that she married Jones, and not Maitland - why would this be incorrect?

Hoping that somebody can give me some ideas.
Thank you in advance, Margaret
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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 December 25 02:37 GMT (UK) »
The name changes are Maitland 1949 and Jones 1958/9.From Ancestry Electoral rolls, it seems she did use Maitland for a few years.

82 Connaught Avenue, Enfield

1949 Ore Westall & Gertrude Westall

1950-53 Ure Maitland & Gertrude Westall

1955-57 John M Jones, Ure Jones & Gertrude Westall

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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 December 25 04:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much. How extraordinary! I don't know how I've missed that all these years. I have later records for Gertrude Westall, + John and Ure Jones at that address, I must have thought I'd seen enough.

Any ideas as to why she would be entered twice in 1939?

Thank you, Margaret

STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 December 25 09:01 GMT (UK) »
The heavily redacted page gives her Schedule number as 196/5, as does the earlier page.

Perhaps she was sent to Uncle Leonard as an evacuee, and the later pages are lists of all evacuees. Most of them for several pages are redacted, with different schedule numbers on the unredacted ones.

But official evacuees didn't usually stay with relatives, did they?

Margaret
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WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 December 25 09:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes evacuees  did stay with relatives, my parents had my father's niece with them until she left school when she went back to her parents in London and she was with them on the 1939  register.
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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 December 25 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Answer found then. Thank you all.

AI generated, but seems likely -
'It was common for evacuees in the 1939 UK evacuation to appear listed twice in official records, most notably the 1939 Register, due to the timing and nature of the registration process and subsequent updates.'

Maitland is still a puzzle, I don't know that I'll find a proper conclusion for that.

Thanks to all, and Happy Christmas
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WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 December 25 12:27 GMT (UK) »
It has nothing to do with evacuees.  The heavily redacted pages are all the people whose medical records continued on to a second page because they ran out of space on the first page.  These lists always appear on the last couple of pages of the enumeration book. They are mostly redacted because they are usually younger people who had a long NHS history.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Scroll down to #8 for an explanation of continuation entries.

Debra  :D


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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 December 25 14:39 GMT (UK) »
What medical information would they add to 1939 Register - what would be the point? I have read that the right hand page gives information re moves to a different area/GP, but not entirely sure if that is correct.

Ure Westall didn't have any complicated medical history that I know of. She was born and brought up in Enfield, today is the first time I've seen her recorded as living anywhere else.

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STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Ure Westall, 1939 Register
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 December 25 16:10 GMT (UK) »
From the next part of the link which you shared, Debra

"9.4 The ‘postings’ column
Each entry in the Register extended across a double page spread. However, the accessioned digital record does not include the ‘postings’ column on the right hand page which contains various codes used for National Registration and National Health Service purposes. The National Archives does not have access to this column and the information it contains."

I still don't fully understand (my brain is a bit fuddled these days!), but I have a better understanding of the situation. Thank you very much.

And thanks to all who have helped me with this.
Margaret

Happy Christmas to all
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STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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