Marriage 1918 Rowles to Jones Monmouthshire

[louisa maud]

Just to keep you informed I think my friend is ordering the marriage 1918, I have no idea so far where the name Honorine, spent various ways ,I am led to believe, comes from, it occurred to me that perhaps she was born abroad,   still searching, well I have given it back to the person concerned now and waiting  further details,
Thank you

LM
 

[louisa maud]

We are now wondering if Honorine was born abroad,  got to double check my info, that's my next job, she is very evasive..LM

[Ladyhawk]

We are now wondering if Honorine was born abroad,  got to double check my info, that's my next job, she is very evasive..LM

"In 1921 her pob recorded as Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire" from SS post

Just to keep you informed I think my friend is ordering the marriage 1918

Hi LM

Has your friend let you know if they ordered the marriage certificate yet……while we wait I’ve taken another look - no further forward really - hoping that the census details posted by SS is the person you are looking for 

You may already have all this info. but just in case you don’t.........

Do you think this is the same William?

William Albert Rowles occ colly rider
Record Type   Admission
Birth Date   1886
Admission Date   12 Apr 1916
Admission Place   Glamorgan, Wales
His religious persuasion Bapt.

William Albert Rawles age 29
Record Type   Admission
Admission Date   28 Jun 1916
Residence Place   Wales, Newport - Woolaston House
Transferred from Pontypridd

The record below lists his father as Wm and Uncle as Jas Rowles the address given for his father Wm is the same as Benjamin Rowles on the 1914 Gwent ER

William Albert Rowles age 26 occ miner
Marital Status   Single
Birth Place   Bedwas
Last Known Residence   Bedwas, Wales
Departure Port   Liverpool, England
Arrival Date   26 Sep 1913
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Residence Place   Wales
Final Destination   Scranton, Pennsylvania
Height   5 Feet, 9 Inches
Hair Color   Fair
Eye Color   Blue
Complexion   Fair
Identifying Marks   Scar on Middle Finger Right Hand
Money in Possession   26
Person in Old Country   Wm. Rowles
Person in Old Country Relationship   Father
Person in Old Country Residence   19 Oakfield Terrace Bedwas Mon.
Person in US   Jas Rowles
Person in US Relationship   Uncle
Ship Name   Mauretania
Image available to view Anc*y and on famailysearch

The 1911 census William Albert Rowles born c1886 Bedwas
Father Benjamin wife Sarah dau Winifred
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P6-K6H?lang=en

Benjamin Rowles
Residence Date   1914
Street Address   19 Oakfield Terrace, Bedwas
Parish   Bedwas

This looks to be William's return back to UK

William A Rowles age 27
Port of Departure   Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Arrival Date   10 Jul 1914
Port of Arrival   Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name   Meirion

There are also these ER entries

William Rowles
Residence Date   1919
Street Address   7 Ystrad Buildings.
Residence Place   Wales
Parish   Bedwas

William Rowles
Residence Date   1920/21
Street Address   Station Terrace
Residence Place   Glanyrafon, Wales

William Rowles
Residence Date   1922
Street Address   Station Terrace
Residence Place   Trethomas, Wales
The above is the same street address on the 1923 burial record posted for
Robert Douglas Rowles

Years 1925/28/28/31/1932 address Station Terrace
William Rowles & Horner Rowles
- added a snippet from Gwent, Wales, Electoral Registers, 1832-1969

[softly softly]

I'm so glad I had only pencilled down notes and not typed up what you have posted Ladyhawk, agree with ALL your findings. Just to add they are at same address until 1935. 1933/5 she is Honor

SS

[louisa maud]

Huge thank you, I am going  to PM  with something else I  ha e fou d out through the family, all falls into place

LM

[louisa maud]

Just to keep all those who have helped up to date with what has been found so far.

Quite by pure accident I found Honor and family on 1911 census, Honor listed with surname of  Jones,  parents listed as Maddox with a sprinkling  of  Jones  siblings,  strange thing on birth of Honor's last child she lists her née name as Maddock , prior to that it was Jones, so I think that is the biggest clue so far to prove who Honor was, why she is shown as Honorine other times  I do not know.

On 1911 Mary Maddock says she has been married 12 years and only 3 children

From then on I have had the help from at least 2 other Rootschatters who found the family on other census, I am overjoyed to say the least, the person I am helping  has been taken ill over the weekend so she doesn't know the latest as yet.

All we need now is the marriage  cert, on its way I am told,  I will let you now, hopefully the witnesses will be useful.

Huge thank you to all the help I have had, much appreciated.

LM

[softly softly]

1901 census--156, Ynyseynon Road, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

This ties in with 1911 census.

Mary   Jones   Head   Married   Female   35   1866   House keeper   Morristown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Robert   Jones   Son   -   Male   13   1888   Coal hewer   Morristown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Edward   Jones   Son   -   Male   9   1892   -   Morristown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Ellen   Jones   Daughter   -   Female   6   1895   -   Morristown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Honor   Jones   Daughter   -   Female   5   1896   -   Trealaw, Glamorganshire, Wales

Possible marriage
Marriages Sep 1901   
JONES    Mary        Bridgend    11a   1346    
MADDOCKS    Thomas        Bridgend    11a   1346

Possible birth.

SS

added

1891--Old Bridge, Llangyfelach, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales

John   Jones   Head   Married   Male   33   1858   Coal miner   Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Mary   Jones   Wife   Married   Female   26   1865   -   Morriston, Glamorganshire, Wales
Maggie   Jones   Daughter   -   Female   6   1885   Scholar   Morriston, Glamorganshire, Wales
Robert   Jones   Son   -   Male   2   1889   -   Morriston, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary   John   Mother in law   Widow   Female   59   1832   Tin plate worker   Morriston, Glamorganshire, Wales

[louisa maud]

All the Jones!, as bad as Smith.
Thank you

LM