Ann Cattle born Arnold Notts 1802

[Jenaheldd]

So according to F/S.Org children of William/Elizabeth were;
Enoch 1809
John James 1814
Martha Anne 1817
William George 1819
Christopher James 1822
Charles Thomas 1824

WILLIAM Cattle;
Burial Date 23 Dec. 1825 St. Sepulchres, London
Age 44 birth c 1781

Possible Will?

These are all correct and I believe this to be my William. There is no will, not that I've found anyway. Ann Cattle is the eldest child, born 1802 in Arnold.

[jaywit]

Jena I asked earlier and didn't get a reply, apart from the census entry  what evidence do you have that Ann was born in Arnold Nottinghamshire?

[LizzieL]

So according to F/S.Org children of William/Elizabeth were;
Enoch 1809
John James 1814
Martha Anne 1817
William George 1819
Christopher James 1822
Charles Thomas 1824

WILLIAM Cattle;
Burial Date 23 Dec. 1825 St. Sepulchres, London
Age 44 birth c 1781

Possible Will?

These are all correct and I believe this to be my William. There is no will, not that I've found anyway. Ann Cattle is the eldest child, born 1802 in Arnold.

There's also Henry (the will maker) to fit in after Enoch.
If we discount the Yorkshire William / Elizabeth as a co-incidence and unrelated, then apart for Ann's birthplace, all other events are in London - St Sepulchre and Clerkenwell.
All the Cattle children baptised in London make a nice set at typical interval. Between Ann an Enoch is a gap of 7 years (if her age on census is correct).

If the Elizabeth Cattle who died in 1841 is the correct one, she would have been born in 1781. She might have been married previously and Ann is daughter of first husband, or Ann might be her illegitimate daughter before she married William Cattle.

[jaywit]

OK Looking at baptisms in Arnold 1800 / 1803 I can see the following Anns with mother Elizabeth, all were couples.

Hudson, Barnes, Coldbeck, Hutchinson, Hufton, Cutts, Bailly.

If you want to follow those through to see if you can eliminate them you might just if Ann was born in Arnold find her.

[Jenaheldd]

Jena I asked earlier and didn't get a reply, apart from the census entry  what evidence do you have that Ann was born in Arnold Nottinghamshire?

Other than the 1841 and 1851 census entries, nothing.

I thought the cousin who found reference to Ann on Henry's will, had found something in the records from Arnold, but i can't find it, so I might be making that up!

[Jenaheldd]

OK Looking at baptisms in Arnold 1800 / 1803 I can see the following Anns with mother Elizabeth, all were couples.

Hudson, Barnes, Coldbeck, Hutchinson, Hufton, Cutts, Bailly.

If you want to follow those through to see if you can eliminate them you might just if Ann was born in Arnold find her.

Thank you for these - I'll take a look

[Jenaheldd]

So according to F/S.Org children of William/Elizabeth were;
Enoch 1809
John James 1814
Martha Anne 1817
William George 1819
Christopher James 1822
Charles Thomas 1824

WILLIAM Cattle;
Burial Date 23 Dec. 1825 St. Sepulchres, London
Age 44 birth c 1781

Possible Will?

These are all correct and I believe this to be my William. There is no will, not that I've found anyway. Ann Cattle is the eldest child, born 1802 in Arnold.

There's also Henry (the will maker) to fit in after Enoch.
If we discount the Yorkshire William / Elizabeth as a co-incidence and unrelated, then apart for Ann's birthplace, all other events are in London - St Sepulchre and Clerkenwell.
All the Cattle children baptised in London make a nice set at typical interval. Between Ann an Enoch is a gap of 7 years (if her age on census is correct).

If the Elizabeth Cattle who died in 1841 is the correct one, she would have been born in 1781. She might have been married previously and Ann is daughter of first husband, or Ann might be her illegitimate daughter before she married William Cattle.

Ooh yes, can't forget Henry!

Yes, it is a big gap between Ann and Enoch. I know David (the OP) had looked for any other possible children but didn't have any luck.

As you say, Ann being from a previous marriage or illegitimate is always a possibility.

[rosie99]

Is the middle name of the first child significant?  Ann Barker Smith

Of course barker may come from Isaac Smith's family. He had the middle name George which might make it easier to trace him

He was born 26th December 1799 and baptised 19th January 1800 at St Sepulchre, Newgate, London - parents Thomas and Mary Smith
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMWD-ZYC?lang=en

[rosie99]

When did Ann Cattle / Smith die.
Isaac Smith died in 1858 and the probate index names his children Ann Barker Smith & Isaac George Smith as Executors, do you have this will.  In 1861 the children are still at 10 Percival Street but no sign of Ann.

How does Henry's will refer to Ann, when was it dated and when did he die.

Who was Sir Christopher Cattle mentioned on Enoch's obituary