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Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« Reply #36 on: Friday 12 December 25 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Now adding a bit more detail to my previous mention .....
There are various crew list records for James Clark, ableseaman, born 1839-1840 in Dublin.
The earliest I found was from 1867 on the vessel “William Hall”
Other ships were “Torch” and “Star”
These vessel were all registered in Dublin and were travelling / trading between Liverpool and Dublin, making repeated trips during each month.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #37 on: Friday 12 December 25 23:33 GMT (UK) »
If we are to believe William Richard Clark’s date of birth 18 Jul. 1875 (from the 1939 register), then he was probably Maria’s child, born 4 months before she died.
The fact that there was no birth registration or baptism for him might be explained if father James was away at sea, and the mother Maria was gravely ill.

We haven’t found William in the 1881 census.
What happened to Eliza, the 2nd wife of James?
I wonder if the family returned to Ireland for a while?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 13 December 25 08:30 GMT (UK) »
Neale. I do find your shipping history interesting and I research each vessel you mention. The vessel William Hall is interesting. Vessels bearing the name are done so in memory of a Petty Officer William Hall who was the first black person, first Nova Scotian, and third Canadian to receive the British Empire’s highest award for bravery, the Victoria Cross. He was the son of former American slaves born in 1827. And he enlisted in the Royal Navy in 1892.

And regarding the James Clark, who now isn't my James Clark, I did research the vessels you mentioned associated with him and perhaps I should post his shipping history somewhere. Might be useful for anyone reseaching him.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #39 on: Saturday 13 December 25 08:37 GMT (UK) »
Neale. If indeed we do assume/believe Maria is the mother of William then the sequence of events as I understand them:

1st marriage 31st Oct 1869 St Peter’s Liverpool
James Clark, full age, bachelor, mariner. Father – James Clark surveyor and Maria Hay spinster. Father James Hay shoemaker.
Both of Brook Street. Witnesses are John EAGAN and Catherine KEHOE

Children:
CLARKE, JAMES  (This baptisism date would be before the marriage?)
Baptised 4 may 1869 at St Mary's Catholic Church, Liverpool, and mother's surname is HAY.
(“domi imminens periculum”) Possible death the next year.

CLARKE, ROBERT CHRISTOPHER
Catholic baptism, Robert Christopher Clark, born December 25th 1873, son of James and Maria (Hay). Godparents are James and Ann MacDevitt.
He died later in 1874.

William born 18 july 1875 (from the 1839 register)

Workhouse creed register entry for Maria Clarke, admitted 12 Nov 1875, says died 16 Nov.  Cause of death Phthisis.
There is a burial for Maria Clarke in the catholic section at Anfield Cemetery, 18 November 1875. Age given as 33 on this.

2nd marriage 13 Dec 1876, St Peter’s Liverpool
James Christopher Clark, widower, 36, mariner, Parliament st. Father – James Clark land surveyor
and Eliza Price, spinster. 36 spinster Brook st. Father Patrick Price – farmer
Witnesses – John Matthews and Margaret Kibblewhite.
No children registered in England from 2nd marriage with Eliza Price.

William marries 3 Oct 1897.
William 21yrs – seaman – father James Christopher Clark (deceased) Mariner.
Annie Cook 20yrs – father James Cook. Joiner.
(Julia Ann Cook born 18 July 1878.)

Witnesses William Lewis and Mary Cook.

Children:
Susannah 1910-2001
William 1907-1978
Annie Florence 1903-1980

William death 13 Dec 1949.
Julia death 9 Aug 1952.


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Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 13 December 25 11:49 GMT (UK) »
That looks like the right one, Rosie.
Very generous of you to obtain the extra information


At least it clarifies that James was still alive, it appears to have gone unnoticed though  :-\



William born 18 july 1875 (from the 1839 register)

Workhouse creed register entry for Maria Clarke, admitted 12 Nov 1875, says died 16 Nov.  Cause of death Phthisis.
There is a burial for Maria Clarke in the catholic section at Anfield Cemetery, 18 November 1875. Age given as 33 on this.

2nd marriage 13 Dec 1876, St Peter’s Liverpool

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Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 13 December 25 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie. Sorry I'm not sure what 'unnoticed' is refering to?