William Richard Clark siblings?

[Neale1961]

Some Information already provided for you on your 1st thread in 2022 ----

THIS BIRTH WAS RULED OUT
CLARK, WILLIAM  RICHARD     Mother - WELSH 
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 337
Burial of William Richard Clarke aged 3 yrs in 1878

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James Christopher COOK
 1st marriage 31st Oct 1869 St Peter’s Liverpool
James Clark , full age, bachelor, mariner. Father – James Clark surveyor
And Maria Hay spinster. Father James Hay shoemaker
Both of Brook Street. Witnesses are John EAGAN and Catherine KEHOE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNSQ-R31?lang=en

2nd marriage 13 dec 1876, St Peter’s Liverpool
James Christopher Clark, widower,  36, mariner, Parliament st. Father – James Clark land surveyor
and Eliza Price, spinster. 36 spinster Brook st. Father Patrick Price – farmer
Witnesses – John Matthews and Margaret Kibblewhite
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNSW-4M4?lang=en


Children from 1st marriage
CLARKE, JAMES       Mother - HAY 
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 112
He was baptised 4 may 1869 at St Mary's Catholic Church, Liverpool, and mother's surname is HAY.
(“domi imminens periculum”)   Possible death the next year.

CLARKE, ROBERT  CHRISTOPHER     Mother - HEY 
GRO Reference: 1874  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 102
Catholic baptism, Robert Christopher Clark, born December 25th 1873,  son of James and Maria (Hay). Godparents are James and Ann MacDevitt.
He died later in 1874.


No children registered in England from 2nd marriage with Eliza Price
Was William Richard a child from 1st marriage? or did he belong to Eliza, and he used the CLARKE surname.?

[osip]

Thanks again for your replies. I have genuinely tried to understand the facts and if I have interpreted them incorrectly I am more than happy to be corrected.

The details provided on the previous posts by jonwarrn regarding the marriage certificate and subsequent information look correct to me. In that they relate to the William Richard Clark and the family I am familiar with. His father on the certificate being James Christopher Clark. (deceased mariner)

Now taking into consideration the info I ignored in ‘22 that Neale has highlighted. That James had a 1st marriage to Maria Hay in OCT 1869.

Then a 2nd Marriage to Eliza Price in DEC 1876. (no registered children born from this marriage?)

William could have been born to James and Maria.

Or William could have been born to James and Eliza.

Or in fact William could have been born to an unknown father and Eliza pre marriage and he adopted the surname Clark. James then not being his biological father.

[rosie99]

James Christopher COOK[/b]
 1st marriage 31st Oct 1869 St Peter’s Liverpool
James Clark , full age, bachelor, mariner. Father – James Clark surveyor
And Maria Hay spinster. Father James Hay shoemaker
Both of Brook Street. Witnesses are John EAGAN and Catherine KEHOE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNSQ-R31?lang=en

In 1871 at 3Ct 15H Brook Street, Liverpool there is a Female Clarke (No first name listed) -Married age 28 Sailors wife bn Ireland. RG10/3771 foilio 124 page 22.  No one else in household

[Neale1961]

I think this might be James in 1871 census. He is onboard a ship called “Sea Star”
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX1-99Q?lang=en

I am away from my notes at the moment, but there are quite a few seaman crew records for a James Clark born Dublin 1839-40 working as an able seaman on ships travelling between Dublin and Liverpool in the time frame 1867 to early 1870s.

[jonwarrn]

In 1871 at 3Ct 15H Brook Street, Liverpool there is a Female Clarke (No first name listed) -Married age 28 Sailors wife bn Ireland. RG10/3771 foilio 124 page 22.  No one else in household

Great find, Rosie.
Electoral registers have James Clarke at 15 in 3 court, Brook Street
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QL94-4G

1872
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-W79H-P6

Do we know exactly when Ann Maria died?

[rosie99]

It is Maria Hay, I think Neale was posting 'and' - it fooled me too  .   I have yet to find a death for her.

Interesting that Eliza Price was also of Brook St when she married James Clark.

Maybe this death
Death Dec qtr 1875   
CLARK    Maria   age  35    Liverpool    8b   127    

This one is probably too close to his next marriage unless she died in childbirth and he married to have someone to look after the child - Burial was at Anfield
Death Dec qtr 1876   
Clark    Maria   age  32    Liverpool    8b   31


That was good finding James on the electoral registers at the same address 

[rosie99]

16th November 1875 - Liverpool Workhouse
Maria Clark -35 Years - Wife of James Clark occupation Seaman
Cause of death Phthisis
Informant James Clark  Widower  In Attendance   3 Court Queen Street

[jonwarrn]

That looks like the right one, Rosie.
Very generous of you to obtain the extra information.

There is a burial for Maria Clarke in the catholic section at Anfield Cemetery, 18 November 1875
Age given as 33 on this.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TY-63VW-Q

Order book here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9Y7-59WR-S

Workhouse creed register entry for Maria Clarke, admitted 12 Nov 1875, says died 16 Nov
Has different address, Edmund Street, to the one James gave on the cert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QF9M-PS

To me the admission register says Maria was widow of James, a Seaman (dittoed)
If so, they got the widow bit wrong!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-WHQK-L

[osip]

I agree with jonwarrn. Excellent finds Rosie.

The two court dwellings mentioned are both within walking distance of the docks in Liverpool. They were densly populated and a great many were from Ireland. Either stranded after failing to get passages or arriving to find work. The conditions at the time ranged from 'slums' to 'habitable.' The workhouses must have been extremely horrible to work in and as records show work related deaths and poor living conditions took there toll.

Thanks for the familysearch link jon.

I feel I should be doing more to contribute but I'm searching and searching but coming up with nothing. Thanks to everyone contributing.