Woodford? Rice Williams Affiliation Case

[roycymru]

Hello

I would be grateful for any help in trying to unravel the accuracies/inaccuracies of an affiliation case from 12 Aug 1904. What I am trying to establish is detailed below. (I attach 2 newspaper extracts on the case).

Is the William Rice Williams referred to actually Woodford Rice Williams 1880 of Danybank Farm, Pontyates (whose father was also called Woofford Rice Williams)?

Who exactly was Ada Jones and can she be found in census records?

Who was the child and can he/she be found in census records.

The first article is the longest and therefore I regard as the more accurate of the 2. It mentions William Rice Williams of Danybank farm Pontyates, young farmer and son of a well to do Farmer and landowner. I believe this is actually Woodford Rice Williams, as mentioned above, who in 1909 marries an Evelyn John.

This article gives little information on Ada, other than that she was a young girl

The second article states Ada was of Andrew Steet, Llanelly. It also refers to Rice Williams as William not Woodford. It also mentions Danybrook, Pontyates, which again I think is an inaccuracy and should say Danybank.

Thank you

[CaroleW]

Says they were courting for 3yrs so have you looked for Ada on the 1901 census?

[roycymru]

Says they were courting for 3yrs so have you looked for Ada on the 1901 census?

I have but no obvious match yet

[hanes teulu]

Doesn't the newspaper item read " ... only son of ...".
Have you tried to interpret "Children born, died, alive" on the 1911 Census (rather heavily scored out) and check for births/baptisms to confirm sons born??

[roycymru]

Doesn't the newspaper item read " ... only son of ...".
Have you tried to interpret "Children born, died, alive" on the 1911 Census (rather heavily scored out) and check for births/baptisms to confirm sons born??

You are correct, there was another son/brother John Rice Williams but he died in 1895 (1867-1895), leaving on Woodford and his sisters, this again leads me to believe that the article is referring to Woodford Rice Williams not William Rice Wiiliams. I can find no appropriate William Rice Williams in census records

The 1911 census entry you refer is for his father. As it is crossed out its reliability is uncertain. It says 7 children in total 4 dead and 3 alive. From census records I know of 6 children, three of which lived passed 1911.

[hanes teulu]

I read the entries as "7, 4, 3", the Censuses identifying MaryAnne, Margaret, Alice, Letitia, John R and Woodford R. Searching for the 7th not easy - Winford Snr married a Williams!

Was about to check for death of John R - thanks for sparing me the search.

Woodford Snr died 1918 but Woodford Jnr didn't move into Danybank but there was a legal matter in 1939 re the estate of the late Woodford R (died 1932?) where the occupier of Danybank was chasing Letitia and Evelyn (Woodford Jnr's wife) over a dead cow.

More than reasonable to suppose the newspaper article includes a typo.

Pob lwc

[softly softly]

1901 census records Woodford in his parents home. As a matter of interest who does the 18month old grandchild belong to.

SS

[roycymru]

1901 census records Woodford in his parents home. As a matter of interest who does the 18month old grandchild belong to.

SS

In my notes I have that she was the illegitimate daughter of Alice Williams (Dau of Woodford Rice Williams Snr) and an Isaac Griffiths of Minhurtach. This is based on the attached extracts (I don’t have the appropriate membership to see the full articles). I think this may be her birth entry

WILLIAMS, ANNIE    (-)
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 1048

Some further notes I have

Anne / Annie was the illegitimate daughter of Alice Williams and Isaac Griffiths. In 1901 Anne and her mother with living with her Grandfather Woodford Rice Williams.
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In 1911 Anne mother Alice has married. In 1911 there is an Annie Williams age 11 “Niece” living with her grandfather. I think this maybe Anne.

[softly softly]

Thanks, it would appear Annie may have married/set up home with a William H Williams at some point. She appears in 1939 with him and 5 children. Eldest child

Births Jun 1923 
Williams    Sydney R     mmn Williams    Llanelly    11a   2232    

Annie died 1973 dob 18.6.1899

SS