Elizabeth Hogan before Marriage

[gnorman]

Hi everyone,

I have been looking at the Dale branch of my family tree and wondered if anyone could help me at all with Elizabeth Hogan.

The earliest record I have for her is a marriage record from 11th July 1885. She was recorded as being aged 22 at the time and living at 25 Water Street in Bolton. Her father is listed on the certificate as Thomas Hogan a deceased shoe maker. She married Mark Dale, a 21 year old bachelor living at 21 Water Street. The witnesses were Nathanial & Sarah Fletcher - I have no idea who they were.

I have all the census results for the family after their marriage when they moved to Oldham, but no mention of any Hogan's anywhere else down the line. I have nothing else on the Hogan family so anything at all would be great.

Thanks, Luke

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Her place of birth seems to vary a bit

1891 - Bollington, Cheshire
1901 & 1911 - Ashton, Lancs

Daughter Agnes has a Roman Catholic baptism in Stockport. Elizabeth's maiden name there is given as Lynch, and the god parents are Thomas and Agnes Lynch

Later censuses also suggest her dob is nearer 1866 than the 1863 suggested by her marriage

1881 possible? IN Oldham

Thomas Lynch 32  b Stockport
Mary A. Lynch  32 b Irish Sea
Eliza Lynch    14    Daughter b Ashton
Mary Lynch       9
Thomas Lynch  7
John Lynch       4
Agnes Lynch     2
James Lynch   

Can't work out the Hogan link yet

[gnorman]

Thank you Mabel

I have birth certificates for all of Elizabeth's kids - John Thomas Dale and Sarah Dale's certificates say mother's maiden name is Morgan. For the rest of the kids its recorded as Hogan so she must have been married twice but she is recorded as a spinster in her wedding to Mark Dale and I don't have another marriage record.

Thanks, Luke

[Dundee]

She married Mark Dale, a 21 year old bachelor living at 21 Water Street.

The age for both is 22, but Mark was born in 1855 so he was actually 30.

I have birth certificates for all of Elizabeth's kids - John Thomas Dale and Sarah Dale's certificates say mother's maiden name is Morgan.

You haven't said how you have reconciled the fact that John Thomas and Sarah Ann were born long before the DALE/HOGAN marriage when Elizabeth HOGAN would have been a child.

I think that Mark married firstly to Elizabeth MORGAN in 1874 and secondly to Elizabeth HOGAN in 1885, which is why you have two different surnames.

Debra 

[Dundee]

1881 possible? IN Oldham

Thomas Lynch 32  b Stockport
Mary A. Lynch  32 b Irish Sea
Eliza Lynch    14    Daughter b Ashton
Mary Lynch       9
Thomas Lynch  7
John Lynch       4
Agnes Lynch     2
James Lynch   

I think that Eliza is Mary Ann's daughter.  The other LYNCH children have mother's maiden surname as DALEY.

HOGAN, ELIZA
Mother's maiden surname: DALEY     
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE  Volume 08D  Page 363

Debra 

[Cas (stallc)]

There is a possible marriage for Hogan/Daley that may fit above birth registration for Eliza.

Marriages Dec Q 1865 -  2 others on page
Daley    Mary Ann        Ashton Under Lyne    8d   952    
Hogan    Patrick        Ashton    8d   952   

Lancs OPC - Marriage: 12 Oct 1865 St Mary, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire
Patricium Hogan - 56 Old Street, Ashton under Lyne
Mariam Annam Daley - Ashton under Lyne

Groom's Parents: Joannis Hogan & Annae (formerly Macarty)
Bride's Parents: Patricii Daley & Elisae (formerly Ormsby)

Witnesses: Patricio Daley, ex 56 Old Street, Ashton under Lyne
Elisa Daley, ex 56 Old Street, Ashton under Lyne

Married by B. G. De Mullewie, Misss. Coadr. 
Register: Marriages 1857 - 1887, Entry 6. Source: Original Register

The Daley family can be found in 1861/1871 at Old Street, father Patrick is a shoemaker. Mother is Eliza, parents born Ireland.

1861 if access -  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8767/records/9337620

Cas

[gnorman]

Thank you all, this is very fascinating stuff. I have ordered the wedding certificate for Mark and Elizabeth in the hope it sheds some light.

I have to admit to still being confused by the Hogan connection - could it be (& please forgive me if I've completely missed it) that Mary Ann Lynch adopted the name after her mother remarried but was originally called Hogan?

Thanks, Luke

[Cas (stallc)]

I think Eliza was Hogan at birth. Married as Hogan and children births maiden name is Hogan.

Looks like sometime before 1881 census, likely mother Mary Ann nee Daley was with Thomas Lynch. I cannot locate marriage for couple so maybe still married to Hogan?

The birth registration above for Eliza mmn Daley is available as an instant digital download for £3.00. worth a look maybe?

Added - the Lynch name was to fit with family. She knew her name was Hogan. I don't think her mother married Mr Lynch, maybe still married to first husband?

Cas

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Maybe they managed to marry a bit later on

Q2 1884   Ashton    8d   843   
BUCKLEY    Amelia Ann          
HOGAN    Mary Ann        
LYNCH    Thomas        
Noel    Osmond Ogier        

Osmond and Amelia married, so Thomas and Mary Ann are definitely the other couple