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Re: Smith's Help 2!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 November 25 19:34 GMT (UK) »
Interesting points between the above marriages, (although around 15 years apart) are they are both held at St Anns RC Church at Junction Street, Ancoats.

https://www.manchesterhistory.net/manchester/churches/stannesancoats.html

Both marriages were registrar attended. I suspect the marriage in 1879 between Mary Smith & James Burns was also held at St Ann's RC, going by the info from the other couple (Patrick & Mary) on registration page, as they also married there.

The witness for James and Honora at marriage are likely the same as godparents for James Burns b 1886, youngest son of Mary & James Burns, info on bapt on previous thread.

The first witness is likely the son of James McAndry/McAndrew...see 1861 census in previous thread. 

1881 census James & Honora/Ann are at the same address he gives at marriage with Mary Jane as niece.

Age 38 for Honora/Ann match roughly census age, so birth around c1841.  Only age at death gives her born circa 1838.

Marriage address for Honora/Ann is the same street address that Mary & James Burns gave when firstborn Joanna/Anne was baptised in 1880, although 2 doors apart... bapt info in previous thread. (The Burns family are not at same address in 1881 census)

Also a possibility that the Welsh connection is through mothers Jane remarriage, which would be after c1843.  Quite possible 2nd husband James Welsh, was married previously, and children of both became step siblings, maybe.

It looks likely all this took place in Ireland, as the first link to Mary Burns in England, is the 1864 marriage to John Smith.

Would look to see who was at the address Mary gave at marriage in 1861/1871 to see if any possible leads or connection possibly.

Just a few thoughts....

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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Smith's Help 2!
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 November 25 20:28 GMT (UK) »
1861 England Census
Lancashire
Manchester
Ancoats
District 44
There's Woodward St and Bk Woodward Street here,, I'm not finding 55, but numbers are missing as far as I can see.  Maybe there are names that link in.

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Re: Smith's Help 2!
« Reply #11 on: Monday 01 December 25 22:21 GMT (UK) »
And now we have what we think to be 'our' Mary Smith nee Burns marrying James Burns.

Mary's father is right (William (deceased) and the age is good. The witnesses don't appear to be of much help.

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 December 25 22:27 GMT (UK) »
And lastly for now, we have Catherine Burns marrying Ben Holland in 1904. Catherine's age fits, as does her father. The witnesses is one unknown plus Mary Holland. I have Mary Holland as a sister to Ben so that looks good.



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Re: Smith's Help 2!
« Reply #13 on: Monday 01 December 25 22:59 GMT (UK) »
The combined research looks good, fits together...confirmed by certs.

Did you obtain the death for John Smith?

Most Birth & Death certs are available from GRO for £3.00 instant digital download..no waiting.

Unfortunately marriages are not available this way.

Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Smith's Help 2!
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 December 25 06:24 GMT (UK) »
I did indeed and it absolutely fits with the family at 2 Smiths Court on the 1871 census, informant Mary Smith.

Now I just need to sit down and build the tree properly with all this newly found info, thanks to everyone’s help!

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 December 25 19:52 GMT (UK) »
1905 marriage Prestwich all on same page

James Harry Barlow
Mary Holland x
John Pearsall x
Winifred Preston
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