Smith's Help 2!

[ManchesterJohnson]

This thread is a follow on from - hopefully this link works!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=895015.90

[ManchesterJohnson]

And the first two marriage certs have arrived! Not that I have been checking the letterbox every hour for the past couple of days!

First up in Mary Burns marrying John Smith in 1864. This has both of them in the right area, at the right ages and so looks good. It has Mary's father as William Burns (labourer, deceased) and John's father as James Smith (labourer, deceased).

Secondly, I have James McAndry marrying Honora Byrne in 1879. As people have thought, this very well could be Mary Burns sister as Honora's father is listed as William Byrne (labourer, deceased).

Certainly nothing that challenges the work you have all so kindly already done 

[ManchesterJohnson]

And Honora Byrne's...

[wilcoxon]

Thanks.

First up in Mary Burns marrying John Smith in 1864. This has both of them in the right area, at the right ages and so looks good. It has Mary's father as William Burns (labourer, deceased) and John's father as James Smith (labourer, deceased).

Witnesses Patrick Smith and Catherine Bonham ? may help.

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible lead on the Welsh family?

One witness on the Smith - Burns marriage is Catherine Bonham

Marriage in Manchester Dec Q 1860 Catherine Welsh - John Bonham.

Bapt of a child Matilda in 1866..dies in 1868. One of the godparent sponsors is a Mary Smith.

Bapt - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62472/records/120004427

Name   Catharina Welsh
Maiden Name   Welsh
Diocese   Salfordiensis, in Anglia
Spouse   Joannis Bonham
Child   Matilda Bonham

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/284407811/matilda-bonham

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Interesting Smith family in 1851 headed by father James, with sons Patrick & John b Ireland

1851 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8860/records/11586217
 
(Family not at address 1861)

6 Potts St Court
St Jude
James Smith   40   Head, lab
Margaret Smith 30 Wife
Patrick Smith 18 Son
Mary Smith 20 Wife
Bridget Smith 16 Daughter
Thomas Smith 14 Son
John Smith 12 Son
James Smith 3 Son
Bridgett Welsh 30 Lodger
Mary Welsh 14 Daughter
William Welsh 12 Son
Winifred Welsh 10 Daughter
Patrick Welsh 3 Son
Catherine Welsh 5 Daughter

Added - baptisms for the Smith - Burns children have Smith godparents that may likely fit this 1851 family?

[Cas (stallc)]

1861 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8767/records/14408660

Potts St. Court (same address area as 1851)
Patrick Smith   26   Head
Mary Smith 30 Wife
Catherine Smith 6 Daughter
Thomas Smith 4 son
Mary A Smith 2 Daughter
Margaret Smith 2mths Daughter

Looks like Patrick married a Welsh. Can also be spelt  Welch or Walsh

Bapt Thomas - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62472/records/899133

1871 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7619/records/17724698
St Jude, Manchester
Mary Smith   36   Head, widow
Catherine Smith 18 Daughter
Thomas Smith 16 Son
Mary Ann Smith 12 Daughter
Margaret Smith 10 Daughter

[Cas (stallc)]

Also this 1861 which may connect to 1851.  Ages are out but not unusual with timeframe & literacy levels. There was a brother Michael with John & family in 1871.

1861 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8767/records/14408731

Potts St. Court
Bridget Smith   22   Head, Ireland
Michael Smith 6 Brother, Manchester

[wilcoxon]

I know he's not really important but there's a tree on Ancestry linking to a lot more records. The same is often mistranscribed.

John (Bonynge) Bonham  .Bonynge, Gaynor, Phelps, Thomas

Catherine Welsh was his 3rd wife.

When John (Bonynge) Bonham was born on 11 July 1819 in Drumcree, Westmeath, his father, George, was 24 and his mother, Mary, was 24. He was married three times and had three sons and four daughters. He died on 11 March 1875 in Manchester, Lancashire, at the age of 55, and was buried there.

Catherine Welsh was born in 1837 in Ireland. She married John (Bonynge) Bonham in October 1860 in Manchester, Lancashire. They had five children in 11 years. She died in September 1896 at the age of 59.