Walter Franks born Q1 1871 York

[MollyC]

I'm not criticising anyone's research.  I am criticising Ancestry for misleading hard-working researchers who do their best but are not familiar with the county, past and present.  The collection of West Riding electoral registers extends from the border of Nottinghamshire to the border of Westmorland.  Modern West Yorkshire is only a fraction of that area, so Ancestry has made a big mistake.

[rosie99]

Sorry MollyC,  I was just commenting further after John’s reply as I did not feel I had given Ladyhawk the credit she deserved when I responded to John’s post.

I agree completely with your comments about Ancestry and the names they allocate to districts.  My research barely touches Yorkshire so I always have to check which part the records have to come under.  Sadly Ancestry seems to use current day areas a lot like Elmbridge, Waverley, Spelthorne instead of the towns of Weybridge, Walton on Thames, Farnham and Staines etc.  So many places have been put into areas by Ancestry that were only created by local government reorganisation in the 1970’s or later but they infer they were the names used long before that.

[MollyC]

Cumbria is another minefield.  Ancestry will not have noticed that two and half years ago it divided again, into unitary authorities of Cumberland and "Westmorland & Furness".  Furness represents the detached part of Lancashire.  Boundaries are not identical.  Westmorland gained a few parishes from the West Riding in 1974.
I have been checking the numbers.  The West Riding was 3.53 times larger in area than West Yorkshire.

[Cockneyrebel]

I'm a tad confused! I thought we'd established that the Walter in the USA is different to the one in England who married Mary M Bellerby. How does Walter Quinn get into it?
As to Ancestry they're absolutely hopeless on British counties, I guess being an American company they're not interested in us British!
Cr

[rosie99]

We have eliminated the Walter that went to the USA.

See John’s post reply 11 where he suggests he could be Walter Franks bn 1872 the illegitimate son of Agnes Franks

In 1881 we believe that he is Walter Quinn, the Quinn’s also have a nurse child Gertrude.  There is no evidence that Susan Quinn gave birth to Walter Quinn

[rosie99]

To sum it up briefly

Walter Franks bn 1872 cannot be found in 1881 but his mother Agnes has married Thomas Littlechild in 1875 and he is not with them. (One of the marriage witnesses was a John Quinn) The Littlechilds first child was baptised with the same address used on Walter Franks birth certificate and immunisation record.

So where is Walter in 1881, there is no evidence of a death.
...

John suggested that Walter Quinn living with John and Susan Quinn in 1881 could be Walter Franks.
He is still with them in 1891 and then he vanishes.
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Then Walter Franks reappears in 1901 following his marriage.

In 1911 neither Walter Franks or Walter Quinn have been located.
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In 1917 Jedburgh, Scotland,  Walter Quinn married Alice L Mowforth and he gave his parents names as John Quinn and Susan (Nee Wetherall)
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In 1921 he is in Harrogate with Alice though his birth year is out but his occ Electrical Fitter and birthplace York.

We believe this is his death, the age is more accurate
QUINN, WALTER       age 59 
GRO Reference: 1932  September Quarter in KNARESBOROUGH  Volume 09A  Page 121

[Ladyhawk]

To sum it up briefly

Walter Franks bn 1872 cannot be found in 1881 but his mother Agnes has married Thomas Littlechild in 1875 and he is not with them. (One of the marriage witnesses was a John Quinn) The Littlechilds first child was baptised with the same address used on Walter Franks birth certificate and immunisation record.

So where is Walter in 1881, there is no evidence of a death.
...

John suggested that Walter Quinn living with John and Susan Quinn in 1881 could be Walter Franks.
He is still with them in 1891 and then he vanishes.
....
Then Walter Franks reappears in 1901 following his marriage.

In 1911 neither Walter Franks or Walter Quinn have been located.
....

In 1917 Jedburgh, Scotland,  Walter Quinn married Alice L Mowforth and he gave his parents names as John Quinn and Susan (Nee Wetherall)
...
In 1921 he is in Harrogate with Alice though his birth year is out but his occ Electrical Fitter and birthplace York.

We believe this is his death, the age is more accurate
QUINN, WALTER       age 59 
GRO Reference: 1932  September Quarter in KNARESBOROUGH  Volume 09A  Page 121

Well done Rosie - I was just about to post something similar to put it all together from jonwarrn find - there was red writing so I deleted mine as yours is much more compact 

[rosie99]

I was hoping that the gaps in the summary were covered in the original posts 

Looking back at it I had originally missed the fact that John Quinn (hopefully the same John Quinn) was a marriage witness to Agnes, mother of Walter.

[Ladyhawk]

To add

I think this is John 69 York & Susan Quinn 66 York address 4 St George Terrace George St York
occupation Batch Mixer In Glass Works on the 1911 census, noted as married 46 years no children

Add marriage FreeBMD

Jun 1864   York    9d   83   
names on same page
Quinn    John       
Weatherill    Susan