Humphrey Palmer of Hanley

[Old-Bonez]

I have put a lot of questions up here before regarding the pottery family "Turners of Lane End" (Longton) and thought I had had enough about 5 years ago but lets face it enough is never enough.
I have moved my research to the family of John Turners eldest son William and discovered his daughter Sarah b.1806 Longton d.1881 buried Hanley Cem married 1831 a William Palmer timber merchant of Hanley.
I'm looking for the family of this William Palmer to see if he was the son of Humphrey Palmer who is notorious for Copying Wedgwood pieces and was sued by him.
There are several finds for Humphrey Palmer of the Church Works in Hanley but I'm having trouble to find if William Palmer was his son.
It would be interesting to find a marriage link of their children.

[Pennines]

There was a William Palmer baptised in Great Barr, Staffordshire on 30 July 1786 - father Humphrey, mother Nancy -- but that child died in 1791.

Maybe Humphrey and Nancy named their next born son, William - which was a common practice if a child had died.

Can't see another baptism though - but that doesn't mean there wasn't one!

Was your Humphrey's wife named Nancy?

[softly softly]

1851 census --Edmund Street, Stoke, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

William   Palmer Head Married 55 Registrar of births death & mariags b Hanley, Staffordshire
Sarah Palmer Wife Married 44 - b Longton, Staffordshire
William Palmer Son 19 Architect and surveyor b Shelton, Staffordshire
Henry Palmer Son Unmarried 18 Writing clerk b Shelton, Staffordshire
Frederick Palmer Son 14 Scholar    b Shelton, Staffordshire
Martin Chas Palmer Son - 13 Scholar b Shelton, Staffordshire

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PALMER, MARTEN  CHARLES     mmn TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 177
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death suggests birth c 1791/2

PALMER, WILLIAM       aged 68 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 90

[Old-Bonez]

Thanks guys
Looks like we have the family of William Palmer and Sarah Palmer. I never had their children in my tree.
• Is there anything to prove that Humphrey Palmer is actually the father of William?

After several upgrades to my computer I've finally found my casual notes from some 10 years back
• Sarah Turner had a elder sister Mary Ann who never married. Matron of the Staffordshire Lunatic Asylum in 1832 and stayed there until 1853 She died 1878 and left everything to Sarah (just under £3000). So in 1878 Sarah would have been in a much better financial situation so there may have been a better house. Of her children I found no marriages so I had obviously stopped searching this branch of the family. Records may have changed by now but I'd appreciate if anybody has the time to double check me if they have the means to.
I remember searching for living relatives along Sarah's line and getting nowhere. Possibly I just got lazy.

Pennines
Thank you for working on Humphrey Palmer. I have absolutely nothing family wise on him except that this William that married into my Turner side of the family may be the son of Humphrey as both were from Hanley.  In pottery circles we have a little information but I find nothing about his family.
https://www.thepotteries.org/potworks_wk/052.htm
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG76079

Thanks for your interest.

[hepburn]

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u40/

This article is about James Neale and his connection the potteries..

[Old-Bonez]

Thank you Hepburn.
As the text you supplied confirms that James Neale took over the Church Works pottery after Humphrey Palmer.
In August 1762, James Neale married Hannah Heath.
The next piece I find is that "Hannah Neale’s older sister had married the Staffordshire manufacturer Humphrey Palmer". (No children listed in the information). So who is this Hannah Neale? She can't be a daughter of James Neale or she would be way too young for Humphrey. Could she be a sibling to James Neale or Auntie.
Thanks for the link which I didn't have in my Neale & Co folder. It seems that the kind work of the volunteers are running into the same barriers that I did. Just not enough information available but I will continue to search.

Have I missed anything from the information supplied so far? Don't be afraid to let me know.

Was the William Palmer that married my Sarah Turner, the son of the potter Humphrey Palmer. Both were from Hanley.

[wilcoxon]

I'm off out now for a while but this might be worth checking Ancestry
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936
Piece 3199: Shelton, Albion Street, Bethesda Chapel
Some of your 1851 were born Shelton.

NameHunphrey PalmerGenderMale
SpouseGrace Eccles
Child Humphrey Palmer Ist son,
Also a Mary.

[softly softly]

I think there may well be a connection to Humphrey but I think as possibly an uncle or relation not father.
The birth of a son to William & Sarah in 1839 Marten may be clue. Martin quite an unusual name in the area.

A John Palmer married an Elizabeth Martin. Several children born including a William 25th Sept 1791. Also a son John born 16th July 1794 (do not believe he married). The 2 John's appear together in 1841 census with John snr probably dying in 1849.

PALMER, JOHN       aged 84 
GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 133

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added, are you wanting details of William & Sarah nee' Turner's children.

[softly softly]

William Palmer probate.

Sarah his widow at this address in 1861 census.

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