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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 November 25 12:04 GMT (UK) »
Thank you!
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 November 25 03:40 GMT (UK) »
This article explains the use of the term squatter in Australia in the 1800s


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_(Australian_history)

It also explains the family's apparent wealth in being able to afford to travel to and from England.

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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 November 25 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Jennaya, thank you so much! That is a riveting article and I can see that the Conrans fit precisely into this category of wealthy landowners frequently visiting England. As previously mentioned, Harry Conran (Eric's father) followed his brother Tom in making a fortune from the gold mining rush at Kalgoorlie -- he described himself as the 'legal manager', whatever that was. I feel sure it was a better way to make money rather than actually digging or panning for gold.

Always good to put your subject into his context! Thank you again.
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 November 25 22:41 GMT (UK) »
What is interesting is that Eric referred to himself as a “squatter” in 1913. I don’t think it would have been a term commonly used by young men at this time to describe their occupation. Farmer or landowner would have been used, I think.
Of course, Eric wasn’t a squatter, and his father and uncle had never been squatters.
By using the term “squatter” we get an indication of how Eric saw himself, and more importantly how he was letting others know that he was of a certain class / social status.
What is ironic, is that the British military staff reading his attestation papers, probably had no idea of what he meant by a “squatter”.
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 November 25 22:58 GMT (UK) »
As I commented on a previous RootsChat thread about Eric, I'm astonished how frequently the Conrans travelled between England and Australia -- sometimes three times in a year.

When you consider travel between England and Australia at this time was about 6-7 weeks. Doing that return voyage about 3 times each year, meant spending a huge amount of time sitting on a ship in the ocean. Seems rather unproductive, doesn't it?
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 November 25 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi, yes agree exactly with both your comments.
Eric would have presented himself as exactly what he was, a young man who'd grown up in an affluent household. The British army would I'm sure have been as baffled by the term 'squatter' as I was! I can only think Eric used it because he appears to have been very keen to show he was physically and mentally tough. He took some insane risks during his flying career (OK, you can say that any RFC pilot did that) including volunteering to do experimental night flying without either lights on the plane or on the ground, which surprisingly didn't lead to his fiery death. He also really wanted to pressurise others into taking risks as well -- 'I'll do it, are you chicken?' type thing.
I also think this business of sailing to and fro from Australia two or three times a year, yes, was a strange thing to do, although the (many) sailing lists I've now read through show that it was really common for wealthy Australians. Once in England the Conrans would rent a large country house and take part in upper class activities like hunting and winter sports, demonstrating their membership of that class, I suppose.
So -- 'I'm a tough Aussie but I'm also an English gentleman'?
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 27 November 25 09:07 GMT (UK) »
Scroll down to read an article about the squattocracy who saw themselves as members of the aristocracy.

https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/stories/squattocracy

I think they had enough money to employ managers while they were on their overseas jaunts.

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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 27 November 25 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, that's a good article!

I'm quite sure they used managers when they were there, as well. This thread has been very interesting and thought-provoking, helping me to understand Eric much better.

Readers of this thread may like to know that Eric's sisters both 'married well'. Alleyne married the Hon Mountjoy Upton who succeeded his father as the 5th Viscount Templeton. Nancy married Wadham Heathcote Diggle of the Grenadier Guards. Although I haven't been able to find out much about him, he was also evidently of aristocratic stock.
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Re: Point Pure, Gatton, Queensland
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 27 November 25 11:28 GMT (UK) »
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