Wiese family

[davecapps]

David
 
it will be interesting!

I will check at the German passenger lists next week when I am at "Genie" as it does have a record of an Ernst arriving with in 1854.

For now, I have changed my Ernst in my database as "Fostered"

and I still haven't worked out how "Friedrich" comes to South Australia by all accounts  and marries here before his wife's death!

Again

Thanks for taking the time to look at this little family!


Cheran

On the Census
No 1 is the father
No 2 the mother
No 3 Luise
No 4 is Ernst
No 5 is the unknown, unbaptised Foster child from Hamburg

Ernst is Not a Foster child

[Neale1961]

Ship Iserbrook -
passengers from Hamburg 16/3/1854
The following Information was compiled by Reg Butler (1941 / 2024)  Hahndorf Historian and extracted from his computer files.
The original files can be accessed by arranging a visit to the Hahndorf Archives

https://localwiki.org/adelaide-hills/Ship_Iserbrook_%2816March1854%29

WIESE, Ludwig HE (//-//). Cooper from Wandsbeck, Holstein, Denmark.

WIESE, Mrs LHE (//-//)

WIESE, Ernst (//c1845-25/6/1885). Died Adelaide SA. Coachsmith; Adelaide (Russell St). Could be the wrong identification.

[CHERAN]

David
 
it will be interesting!

I will check at the German passenger lists next week when I am at "Genie" as it does have a record of an Ernst arriving with in 1854.

For now, I have changed my Ernst in my database as "Fostered"

and I still haven't worked out how "Friedrich" comes to South Australia by all accounts  and marries here before his wife's death!

Again

Thanks for taking the time to look at this little family!


Cheran

On the Census
No 1 is the father
No 2 the mother
No 3 Luise
No 4 is Ernst
No 5 is the unknown, unbaptised Foster child from Hamburg

Ernst is Not a Foster child

Thanks David.. 

[davecapps]

all excerpts are from  www.archion.de

Schleswig-Holstein > Landeskirchliches Archiv der Evangelisch-Lutherischen Kirche in Norddeutschland > Kirchenkreis Hamburg-Ost > Wandsbek >

we´ll start with their marriage

Marriage 1852

März 27
der hieß(ige) Hufschmied Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese. Der weil(and)
Peter Rudolf Wiese in Bramfeld u(nd) der weil(and) Catharina
Stademann ehl(iche) Sohn, geb(orn) 1814 den 10 Juli

mit

seiner Braut, Anna Catharina Maria Trenktrog ?
des Schusters Hans Jacob Trenktrog in Sühlen, Kirch-
spiels Oldesloe u(nd) der Catharina Dorothea geb(orene) Ramm
ehel(iche) Tochter, geb(oren) 10 Aug. 1814

der Bräutigam von Dr Westphal im Jahre 1821 vacciniert. Die Braut
von Dr Hagelstein in Oldesloe am 18 Sept 1815
geimpft
---------------------------------
Bridegroom: the local Blacksmith Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese, born 10 July 1814
legitimate son of the deceased Peter Rudolf Wiese from Bramfeld and his deceased
wife Catharina Stademann

with

Bride:  Anna Catharina Maria Trenktrog, born 10 Aug 1814
legitimate daughter of the Shoemaker Hans Jacob Trenktrog in Sühlen, parish of Oldesloe
and Catharina Dorothea nee Ramm


The bridegroom was vaccinated by Dr Westphal in the year of 1821
The bride from Dr Hagelstein in Oldesloe on the 18 Sept 1815


Note:
Smallpox, broke out repeatedly, especially in the 18th century, and due to the frequency of epidemics due to this no couple in Schleswig-Holstein were allowed to marry without proof of a smallpox vaccination

[davecapps]

more to follow

[CHERAN]

Thats amazing David!

Thankyou...

[sparrett]

I can't find an immigration for "Friedrich"  and for his son Ernst (Ernest) from his first marriage ... there is a immgration in 1853 for an Ernst  born Wandsbek, Holstein aged 8 except this child arrives comes with his Father and Mother 
Departure Date   18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)

Any help would be appreciated!

Cheran

Adding to Neale's Reply #28

Is it not possible that the child Ernest is their nephew not son?

There is a 1865 Naturalisation certificate digitised for Ludwig Heinrich Engal WIESE.
A cooper.
Aged 54. Has been in Australia 11 years.
Born Wandsteck, Holstein.

Sue

[CHERAN]

I can't find an immigration for "Friedrich"  and for his son Ernst (Ernest) from his first marriage ... there is a immgration in 1853 for an Ernst  born Wandsbek, Holstein aged 8 except this child arrives comes with his Father and Mother 
Departure Date   18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)

Any help would be appreciated!

Cheran

Adding to Neale's Reply #28

Is it not possible that the child Ernest is their nephew not son?

There is a 1865 Naturalisation certificate digitised for Ludwig Heinrich Engal WIESE.
A cooper.
Aged 54. Has been in Australia 11 years.
Born Wandsteck, Holstein.

Sue

That's what I have been Thinking Sue!

[sparrett]

There are newspaper sightings for L H WIESE, a cooper,  to 1872 in South Australia.

I do not see any after this in 1872.
I do not speak German, but it is perhaps a goodbye and thank you to friends as he and his wife are leaving

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/83781123?searchTerm=%22l%20h%20wiese%22

Sue
ADDING. FYI
L H WIESE. A cooper in Adelaide. Exhibiting his work 1868
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31975920?searchTerm=%22l%20h%20wiese%22