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Offline Neale1961

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 November 25 22:55 GMT (UK) »
What is the address?
Were the parents married?
It should say when and where her parents married.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 November 25 00:34 GMT (UK) »
No marriage shown. Unable to read address of birth.
The 1911 census shows that Annie Jessie is the niece of Roderick Mackenzie. In 1901 Annie is shown as Friend and in 1891 she is shown as Boarder(3yrs). Her mother Jessie is shown as 14 yrs in 1891. Not good.

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 November 25 01:17 GMT (UK) »
Are you able to post the birth record?
There obviously must be more to find out.
Her father would not have been named on the record unless he was there at the registration.

On the census records, Roderick McKenzie, as head of household, was working very hard to disguise the true identity of Annie Jessie. Trying to make everything look "respectable", to the census enumerator at least.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 November 25 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Jessie McKenzie born 1876 Fodderty (Mother’s maiden name – Matheson)

Was this the mother of Annie Jessie Cunningham born 18 Oct 1887?

She would have been extremely young (about 11, I suppose not impossible) and therefore the father David may have been a teenager too. Seems unlikely.

Why was the baby born in Inverness?
Was the mother sent away from home to give birth?
Or was there another Jessie McKenzie that we have missed, who was the mother? I think this might be the case, so it’s very important to know all the detail from the birth reg.


Roderick McKenzie 1st married 1859 in Fodderty  to Kennethina McKenzie
(5 children:- Roderick, Finlay, Kenneth, William, Alexander) 
Wife Kennethina died in 1873 Fodderty

Roderick McKenzie 2nd married 1874 in Urray to Margaret Matheson
(2 children:- John 1875 and Jessie 1876)

Roderick McKenzie died in 1916.
Family memorial stone -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158334089/john-mckenzie


Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 November 25 06:48 GMT (UK) »

..... The witnesses for Jessie at the marriage were Wm McLeod and Catherine Mackenzie

Having looked at the family now, I think the witness, Catherine Mackenzie, will be Jessie's sister-in-law.
Jessie's brother, John MacKenzie, married Catherine Shaw in 1902.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 November 25 09:22 GMT (UK) »
I had a look what happened to Jessie McKenzie born 1876 Fodderty, daughter of Roderick and Margaret.

Jessie McKenzie married 1907 in Urray to William MacKay
Children:
•   Margaret Matheson MacKay 1908
•   Helen / Ellen MacKay 1909
•   Catherine Jess MacKay 1910
•   Rhodina MacKay 1911
•   William MacKay 1912
•   Kenneth Alexander MacKay 1915
•   John MacKenzie MacKay 1916
•   Jeannie MacKay 1918


1911 census See Ref 059/B 2/ 2   in Carnoch

1921 census  See Ref 065/ 6/ 9    in Fodderty


Jessie McKenzie / MacKay died 23 Jan 1973 in Dingwall (age 96)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Trying to find the bride
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 November 25 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Unable to read address of birth.
If you can't read it, use the yellow 'Report issue' button at top right of the screen on Scotland's People to ask for a re-scan.

What was David Cunningham's address according to the birth certificate?

There is a David Cunningham, shepherd, aged 29, in Contin in the 1881 census and he is still in Contin in 1891, aged 39 and unmarried.

I don't believe that Jessie b 1876 is the mother of Jessie Ann or Annie Jessie Mackenzie or Cunningham b 1887.

The birth of Jessie McKenzie, mother's maiden name Matheson, was registered in Fodderty in 1876, the 40th birth registered in the parish that year. The total number of births registered in Fodderty in 1876 was 43. Therefore Jessie was born towards the end of the year.

Annie Jessie Mackenzie or Cunningham was born in October 1887. Therefore she was conceived early in 1887. That was only a couple of months after the 10th birthday of Jessie b 1876, and Jessie b 1876 was probably still only 10 years old when Annie Jessie was born.

So I don't think 'lodger' and 'friend' are attempts to cover up a closer relationship. 'Niece' in 1911 does imply a relationship - perhaps she was a great-niece?

Roderick Mackenzie, aged 93, son of Roderick Mackenzie and Christian Macdonald, died in Fodderty in 1916. There is a matching baptism on 12 April 1826, and he had two brothers, Murdoch b 1816 and Hector b 1829. Perhaps the errant Jessie Ann was a daughter of one of these brothers? Or of another sibling whose baptism is not in the surviving records?






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