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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #18 on: Friday 21 November 25 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Hugh MAGUIRE, baptised  22/12/1844, father John, mother Catherine, residence Kilronin (Kilronan), Father's occupation Farmer 

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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #19 on: Friday 21 November 25 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Hugh MAGUIRE, baptised  22/12/1844, father John, mother Catherine, residence Kilronin (Kilronan), Father's occupation Farmer 
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/lisnaskea-bap.html

That one looks promising. Possibly other children?
MAGUIRE  John    bapt. 13/5/1827, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE  Robert  bapt. 11/3/1829, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE  Edward   bapt. 29/8/1830, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE  Robert  bapt. 11/11/1832, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE   William   bapt. 15/11/1835, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE  Margaret    bapt. 18/1/1839, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE  James   bapt. 18/7/1841, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #20 on: Friday 21 November 25 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Possibly William (born c1835) with a sister-in-law and two nephews-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Carrickmacusker/Kilronar/1358093/
Same household in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Carrickmacosker/Kilronan/524000/

John William Maguire- parents James Maguire & Margaret Connolly-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT8-RXG?lang=en
James Edward Maguire-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBHN-D22?lang=en

Maguire Margaret otherwise Margart of Kilronan Lisnaskea county Fermanagh widow died 6 May 1929 Administration W/A Londonderry 19 December [1941] to James Edward Maguire farmer. Effects £40.
Maguire James Edward of Kilronan Lisnaskea county Fermanagh farmer died 2 December 1954 Probate Londonderry 26 January to Thomas Johnston farmer. Effects £238 5s. 6d.
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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #21 on: Friday 21 November 25 22:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone.

Found the death of a Catherine MAGUIRE of Kilronan in 1894 a widow aged 90. Son James was the informant.

According to Hugh MAGUIRE's obit in 1896 he was only living representative.

James MAGUIRE of Kilronan died in 1898, son John Wm the informant.

Have we got the right family??

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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #22 on: Friday 21 November 25 22:19 GMT (UK) »
I'm more doubtful but wouldn't rule it out yet. This family doesn't fit with Hugh's father being a 'gentleman' but then Hugh was a shopman when he married so difficult to know.
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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 22 November 25 08:28 GMT (UK) »
Eyesee, have you looked any further at Hugh's business partner Edwards, in case there was also a family connection  as well as a business one? Alfred John Edwards was also one of the witnesses at Hugh's marriage.

I think it likely the 1872 marriage of an Alfred to a Mary Wilson is the same chap, albeit wihout the middle name 'John' that was used at other times, as Proni Wills Index has his widow as a Mary. This Alfred named his father as William Edwards, a Gentleman.

Alfred was apparently born in England, though, so perhaps less likely to have had a family connection to Hugh:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Belmont_Road/1221714/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Belmont_Road/229987/

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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 22 November 25 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone.

Just received further information from a family member which may mean a change of direction.

It appears John MAGUIRE was Catholic and he married a Protestant, which resulted in him being kicked out of the family and moving to Belfast. This information also said that John's parents both died in the potato famine.

He only had the two children Hugh 1843-1896 and a sister that I mentioned in the original post who went to the US.

Have found a death in Belfast in 1887 for a John MAGUIRE in Strandtown, which is where Hugh was living. Wife Elizabeth was the informant. He was 60 which might be a bit young to have a child born in 1844, but in this game you never know.

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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 22 November 25 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Have any of Hugh's descendants considered going down the DNA route in an attempt to narrow their search for the likely 'correct' John?

The John of the 1887 death looks to have been a Gardener.
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Re: John MAGUIRE
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 22 November 25 09:58 GMT (UK) »
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06216/4778894.pdf occupation- "Gardner" [gardener] still a far cry from 'gentleman.' Age might be incorrect.

Checked Belfast cemetery site (City, Dundonald & Roselawn) for john but only found Hugh & wife in a plot-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6373.25916

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