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Re: Lost resident
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 10:47 »
If he applied for his pension in 1921 he would have been approx 76yrs old.  How was his pension paid to him?  Was it a lump sum or an ongoing payment? 

If it was an ongoing payment & the US authorities were not advised of his death  - when & why did they stop the payment?

Is there any record of him on the US censuses from 1880-1920.
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 11:19 »
Morning Carole,

We seem to be drifting away from my initial inquiry.

Yes it was paid to him, and it was an on going payment. It stopped because someone returned his payment cheques back to the pension office in 1947-48, but NO record that he died.

He filed his pension in England in 1921, so until we can pick him up here, through the local directories, this would seem the best place to start. Once we can gather this information, we can then look to see what became of him.

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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 19:04 »
Is there anything in the Pension Files Index on FindMy Past. There are 2 George M Greens. One in 1919 from Indiana and one in 1921 with no place mentioned. There may be nothing as it’s only an index record, I realise that.
It seems so strange that there is nothing in newspaper records locally, doesn’t it?
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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 22:47 »
Evening Heywood,

My friend Michael has access to fold3 pension records, while I have a subscription to ancestry, British Newspaper Archive, newspapers.com and the Mormon website.

Despite the advantages to these sites, we still lack some online access to local archives. The only newspaper articles I could find so far, was the Hull Daily Mail mentioning him in 1981, and the American papers for 1947 and 1948. So I would agree with you, it’s somewhat unusual not to pick something on him, obituary or military record. We had a similar soldier who had been awarded the Medal of Honor, during the civil war, and who died in Great Yarmouth. But we still cannot find him, despite someone claiming he’s buried in a Catholic cemetery on findagrave when the parish priest informed us that he wasn’t buried in his cemetery.

It’s possible the pension index for 1921 that you mentioned on findmypast, could be our guy. He’s showing also on the Mormon site, if you don’t have access to fold3.

I’ve since found the lack of information at the Sailor’s Home for 1921. It only shows the superintendent and his family. At 39, Belvoir Street for 1921 is John William Forton, who died at sea a month or two later. George Green could have moved in after this date, but not having access to the records I can verify this. He’s not there in 1911.

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« Reply #13 on: Today at 12:09 »
Electoral register entries for 39 Belvoir St from FindMyPast

1920 - 1923 Spring
John William Forton
Selina Forton

1923 Autumn - 1924 Spring
Selina Forton

1924 Autumn - 1926 Autumn
William Ernest Richardson
Clarice Richardson

1927 - 1929
Benjamin Johnson
Beatrice Johnson
Plus Kathleen Alice Johnson in 1929

1930 - 1931
William Ernest Richardson
Clarice Richardson
Plus Muriel Kate Richardson in 1931


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« Reply #14 on: Today at 12:48 »
Electoral registers can lag behind reality because if no form was returned the authorities used to leave the entry "as before".  If John William Forton died in 1921 but no form was returned for 2 years, it would explain his name being there until Spring 1923.  Meanwhile, Selina Forton could have taken a lodger whose name never appeared at that address.

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« Reply #15 on: Today at 14:37 »
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« Reply #16 on: Today at 16:25 »
... If John William Forton died in 1921 but no form was returned for 2 years, it would explain his name being there until Spring 1923.  Meanwhile, Selina Forton could have taken a lodger whose name never appeared at that address...

It may or may not be relevant, but there is a bit more going on with this couple. Reportedly he went "missing on or after 10 June 1921" and Selina was granted probate in 1925 that was later revoked in 1926.  It appears that for some reason he had deserted Selina.

In October 1926 he published an announcement in the Hull Mail that "after the 5th October 1926, I will not be answerable or responsible for any debts or liabilities entered into by my wife Selina Forton of 41 Newland Road Hull".  He died on 6 February 1940 at Whitstable.

It would appear that George m Greens pension application was filed 18 Oct 1921.  Whether the address provided at the time was Belvoir St remains to be seen.

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« Reply #17 on: Today at 16:39 »
Resident in Phippsburg when he was mustered into B company, 15th Maine Infantry in January 1864.

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Annual_Report/-9qgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=15th+Regiment,+Maine+Infantry+%22+green+george+m%22&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover

1850 census has a George Green, 4yrs, in Phippsburg.

Muster role confirms this
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