Lost resident

[knighttemplar]

Good afternoon to all who can help me, in locating an old gentleman who resided in the Hull, and Flamborough area, date and occupation not known, by the name of George M Green.

He was last recorded in Hull in 1921, and unfortunately I only have two known addresses where he lived. This was 39, Belvoir Street, (Princes Ave) and the another at Waterloo Cottage, N Marine Road, Flamborough. The only known dates I have for this man, at these addresses, is between 1921 to 1947.

Does anybody have access to the local directories to at least help me pin him down to a year? The worse scenario is that he was a lodger at these addresses, and therefore might not show up in the directories, but on the electoral roll. The newspaper report has him at Waterloo Cottage in 1945, but this I feel might be a case that he last lived there, rather than actually living there now.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Maurice

[CaroleW]

No birth or death date given?  No 1921 details given.   Was he single or married?  What was his full middle name?

Please post full 1921 details 

You mention 1947 so is he on the 1939 register?  There is a possible entry b 1860 but he died 1944

GREEN, GEORGE  MCCLARENCE      84 
GRO Reference: 1944  J Quarter in HOLDERNESS  Volume 09D  Page 116
date and occupation not known

who resided in the Hull, and Flamborough area, date and occupation not known,

1921 occ for above shown - and different address

[knighttemplar]

Afternoon Carole,

Thanks for responding so quickly to my post.

I didn't know the Street directory needed this personal information, but to try and assist and help. We have him born in 1845, and don't know whether he was married, or single. His middle name escapes us at the moment. However, if he's found in the local street directory, I'm sure the electoral roll, or directory, will give us that information. We don't have a date of death, hence the appeal search in the local directory. If we can pick him up in the directory, this may help in widening the search with those details. It's a long shot, but we need to start somewhere.

Maurice

[CaroleW]

Good afternoon to all who can help me, in locating an old gentleman who resided in the Hull, and Flamborough area, date and occupation not known, by the name of George M Green.

He was last recorded in Hull in 1921, and unfortunately I only have two known addresses where he lived. This was 39, Belvoir Street, (Princes Ave) and the another at Waterloo Cottage, N Marine Road, Flamborough. The only known dates I have for this man, at these addresses, is between 1921 to 1947.

By 1947 he would be 102 if b 1845?

Your post makes no mention of what type of entry you found him on in 1921 so the assumption was the 1921 census.  What document did you find him on & did it show his age?

The 1921 census has 17 George Green entries in Yorkshire born 1840-1850 but none have M as a middle initial.  They are living in Hull with family & b 1842-1848 but addresses don't match

[heywood]

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/appeal-find-lost-american-civil-10629641

Article about him here - I hope it works. Presumably  your information comes from this.

[knighttemplar]

Hi Carole,

The source for 1921 that I have was another document saying he was at the sailor's home and gave his year of birth, but this wasn't the census. I couldn't pick him up in the 1921 census. I can only presume he forgot how old he was, and therefore gave a wrong age and dropped his middle name on occasions. If he's found in the sailor's home for 1921, that might help me, otherwise its back to the local directory at the addresses I listed to try and pick him up.

I'm still not sure if being at the sailor's home tells me he was a sailor. There was a George Green, rigger, who was a Crimean veteran, and who died in the 1920's, but so far as I know, this isn't the gentleman I'm searching for.

Maurice

[knighttemplar]

Evening Heywood,

It is the gentleman myself and Michael are searching for. It was my digging that unearthed his name, and emailed my colleague with the details. After our own attempts failed in finding him, not just in Hull, but outside as well, we are now appealing to the public for help.

Michael wrote to the local paper several weeks ago, but as he lives in London, and I in Hampshire, we hadn't heard anything since then. So I made the decision in trying to reach out to the people of East Riding through these message boards in case the paper appeal couldn't help. In 1981 a Professor Hoar made a similar appeal through the same paper without much luck. So the only option left to us is a search through the local directories in an attempt to pick him up at these addresses I listed. Sadly the professor died in 2023 without finding him. We are carrying out that search.

We cannot find him in the newspapers, freebmd, or ancestry etc and the local directories are limited online.

Maurice

[CaroleW]

I don't want to appear negative but a lot of that article does not "add up" & I think some assumptions
may have been made

and it had identified a George M Green who lived at 39 Belvoir Street, Princes Avenue, Hull in the 1940s who was a Civil War veteran

How had it identified him at that address?  By the 1940's he would have been approaching 100yr if born 1845?

This week he was also sent a brief record from the US Veterans Affairs Master Index, citing a George M Green, Corporal, Co. B, 15th Maine Infantry, born April 5, 1845, resident at the Sailors Home, Hull, England - but the record is undated.

Born where?  England or USA

Michael said the group had discovered that George M Green claimed a veteran’s pension from England in 1921. He had served in the 15th Maine Volunteer Infantry, and a further article in the Portland, Maine, Evening Express from May 1947 mentioned him, giving his address as Waterloo Cottage, North Marine Road, Flamborough.

Via Google

You cannot claim a UK pension for American Civil War service
, as UK war pensions are for service in the British Armed Forces. For claims related to American Civil War service, you would need to contact the US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and provide documentation, though this is likely not possible for someone in England with no US contact. Historically, some US veterans living in England received pensions directly from the US government.

If he served in a war from 1861-1865 - why would he only be claiming a Veterans pension in 1921?
By 1947 he would have been 102 if he was b 1845.

[knighttemplar]

Evening Carole

Let me try and correct the article which recently appeared, and which I hadn't seen until now.

We don't know when George lived at Belvoir or at Waterloo Cottage. The local directory might tell us that. My colleague read from Professor Hoar's article that this was around this time that he lived. However, the US paper I found said he lived in Waterloo Cottage, and this was printed in 1947/8. It's my belief that when he died in the UK, the US authorities were not told that he died, and the US paper printed it so.

The details are vague where he was born in the UK, the census will tell us that. What is known is that he lived at Hull, at those addresses he gave, when he applied for his pension in 1921.

The fact is he did apply for his pension in 1921, and this is recorded in his US pension index noting England when he applied. It may help him for funeral expenses, or in showing proof that he was a veteran.

The last official civil war veteran died in the US in 1959.

I know James Hall lived in Waterloo Cottage in 1942 with his wife, but the question is was he related to George, or did George move out pre 1942 or move in afterwards? I have seen the 1913 and 1922 directories, but can't access the 1930's or 1940's.

Maurice