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Offline qu1ckdry

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Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« on: Sunday 16 November 25 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi All!

I'm trying to find a scan of a marriage certificate between Jeremiah Sullivan and Mary Ann Toomy in Q2 1858 at St George Southwark, London. I know this marriage happened at this place due to the England and Wales Civil Registration Marriage Index 1837-1915. However I'd like to see the actual document and hopefully get the names of their parents.

Does anyone know if they've been digitised and where I can find them? I have access to Ancestry but haven't found them on there yet. Is my only option to have it sent using the GRO service?

Thanks for any help!

James


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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 November 25 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Only fathers names are shown on English marriage certs.  Have you looked for him on earlier censuses

1861 shows Jeremiah was b Newington Surrey 1839 but Mary was b Ireland.  1871 & 1881 she is shown b Newington
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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 November 25 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Interestingly there is a 14 year old Jeremiah Sullivan LIVING in Newington in 1851 - with a father, Jeremiah Sullivan - both born in Cork, Ireland.
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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 November 25 16:34 GMT (UK) »
When you say that the civil registration marriage index says they were married in St George Southwark, bear in mind that it is a Registration District not an individual place, and it is highly unlikely to have had only one church in it. Indeed you may well be looking for a catholic church since one or both of them could be Irish. I did not see the marriage on Findmypast and you have looked on Ancestry so unless someone can find it on Familysearch then you are probably better in the long run getting a copy certificate from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Afterthought - one-name.org/marriage-locator, which is still incomplete, says 'Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located between entries for Southwark St Stephen and Southwark St George the Martyr RO, both in RD St George Southwark.' so a catholic or other non-conformist church seems likely.


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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 November 25 16:51 GMT (UK) »
I agree with garden genie -- I cannot see a parish record on either Ancestry OR Find My Past.

St George's Southwark is a Registration District so not a specific church. In this case as there is a likely Irish connection the couple may be R.C.

No alternative but to obtain the marriage cert. from GRO. (Sorry!)
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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 November 25 17:11 GMT (UK) »
You can see the church record of the marriage in FindMyPast and maybe in Ancestry if you use the latinised version of their names.
Mariam Annam TOOMEY married Jeremiam SULLIVAN on 18 Apr 1858 at St George’s Cathedral.
The father’s names are given. No occupations or abodes which you might get from the marriage certificate.
PS - search for the bride rather than the groom as Sullivans are common as muck.

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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 November 25 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Spelk -- well done!!

I looked on both sites and didn't find a Parish record.
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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 November 25 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear, I missed that! I suppose I am too used to FindMyPast including all the logical variations automatically. Well that is my excuse  ;) (I do wish catholic priests had recorded all the details that the certificates do.)

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Re: Marriage Certificate from St George Southwark 1858
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 November 25 19:09 GMT (UK) »
possible baptisms same church

10 Dec 1837 Jeremiah son of John & Joanna Sullivan, maiden name Sullivan, Jeremiah born 3 Dec.

3 June 1838 Jeremiah son of John & Joanna Sullivan, maiden name Brian, Jeremiah born 9 May

29 July 1838 Jeremiah son of John & Mary Sullivan, maiden name Carty, Jeremiah born 9 July.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb