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St Michael's in the Poultry
« on: Saturday 15 November 25 15:45 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking at Dr John Lorimer MD, who died in London on 13 July 1795 after a distinguished medical career during which he was a senior Army surgeon in Belleisle in France, West Florida and elsewhere in North America before joing the East India Company.

I've come across a document saying that he is buried "Under the Communion Table in the Rectors Vault in St Michael's Church in the ?Poultry London".

Have I transcribed 'Poultry' correctly? Where was this church and does it still exist?

I take it from the mention of 'rector' that it is/was a Church of England but I'm not familiar with the rituals of Anglican churches. Why would the communion table have been in a vault rather than in the main church?

Are there any burial records which might reveal whether or not his wife is buried with him?
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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 November 25 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Burial register of St Mildred Poultry (on Ancestry) shows he was 'Buried in Rector vault'. The Rector at that time was Robert Bromley.

Church is no longer there
http://www.tinstaafl.co.uk/eandwhmi/london_city/church%20pages/st_mildred_poultry.html

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LND/StMildredPoultry

What was the name of his wife?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 November 25 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Burial register of St Mildred Poultry (on Ancestry) shows he was 'Buried in Rector vault'. The Rector t that time was Robert Bromley.
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What was the name of his wife?
Catherine or Katherine.

What I really need to know is her maiden surname.
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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 November 25 17:01 GMT (UK) »
In the same vault 9 Dec 1814 aged 69, Katherine Lorimer widow, address Charlotte St, St Marylebone. Transcribed as if she was called Katherine Lorimer Widom.   ::)

John's will from 1795 on Ancestry. Details about money going to Marischal College for the education of a boy related to his father John & wife Isabell Green. 

Katherine's will mentions burial 'under the communion table'. I've skim read her will for names but can see no mention of relatives amongst the legacies. 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 November 25 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Frontispiece to his "Essay on Magnetism"

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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 November 25 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I was aware of the essay but had not seen it.
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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 November 25 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I was aware of the essay but had not seen it.

You're welcome.
Spotted a John Lorimer in John Stows' 1720 "A survey of the cities of London and Westminster, ...", which delivered the snippet attached - coincidence?

I did note JL's salary. £182 10s 0p, stayed fixed from 1775 - 1782 (not long before he transferred to the East India Co). No downing tools for a raise with him.

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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 November 25 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I don't know what to make of that at all!

The wife of the Dr John Lorimer I'm looking at was Catherine, not Frances, and both of their wills imply that there were no surviving children. Noting that the other dates listed are in the 17th century I'm inclined to think it must have been a different John Lorimer.

Could there have been more than one communion table - for example one in the main church and another in the Rector's Vault?
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Re: St Michael's in the Poultry
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 November 25 16:27 GMT (UK) »
I think the vault would be under the communion table. Having looked through the burial register, I'd say there were a lot of burials in various vaults under the floor of the church - Vestry Vault, Middle Vault, Rector's Vault and others in the churchyard. It doesn't seem to depend on wealth as several entries marked 'poor' and even some unknowns were for the Vestry Vault. The rector at the time of John's burial was also buried in the Rector Vault - 16 Oct 1806 Revd Robert Anthoney Bromley.

There's a history of the church online and pages 89-90 have details of the memorial marble tablet that was on the wall of the church for John Lorimer.
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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb