Kitty Ryan

[Stephen K]

Kitty Ryan was born circa 1880 in Portlaw, Co. Waterford. I'm unsure what the name Kitty was short for. Her parents were Michael Ryan and Kathleen Ryan (nee Fogarty). She had a brother, Thomas, but I don't know if he was older or younger than Kitty. Different records list Thomas' birth as 1887 - 1881. At the time of Griffiths, the family lived at 33 Queen Street, Portlaw, also known as The Bridge, Portlaw. The Michael Ryan mentioned in Griffiths would have been Kitty's grandfather. It is believed the family continued to live there for many years. I can find no trace of the family in either the 1901 or 1911 census, nor any record of Kitty's birth or baptism. I know her brother Thomas moved to Croydon as he appears in the English 1901 census. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[aghadowey]

Start with the information you do have then you can work through other records.

I know her brother Thomas moved to Croydon as he appears in the English 1901 census.
So how old is Thomas in 1901? 1911? 1921? 1939? when he died?

I'm unsure what the name Kitty was short for.
Kitty is usually a nickname for Katherine/Catherine, Kathleen, Kate, etc.

Her parents were Michael Ryan and Kathleen Ryan (nee Fogarty).
Have you searched for their marriage? (registration of Catholic marriages began in 1864.

At the time of Griffiths, the family lived at 33 Queen Street, Portlaw, also known as The Bridge, Portlaw. The Michael Ryan mentioned in Griffiths would have been Kitty's grandfather. It is believed the family continued to live there for many years.
How many years? until 1901? did Kitty's parents stay there or just some other relatives?

[aghadowey]

At the time of Griffiths, the family lived at 33 Queen Street, Portlaw, also known as The Bridge, Portlaw. The Michael Ryan mentioned in Griffiths would have been Kitty's grandfather. It is believed the family continued to live there for many years.
In 1911 Katherine Kelly, age 77, was living at 33 Queen's St. in Portlaw- she was single and born in Co. Waterford-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Portlaw/Queen_s_Street/909867/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003954557/

[aghadowey]

Kitty Ryan was born circa 1880 in Portlaw, Co. Waterford.
If you haven't found her birth registration how do you know she was born in Portlaw? Did she marry? (if so, where and when)

Previous topic on Thomas Ryan-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=894087.msg7684041#msg7684041
This is Thomas Ryan. Born in Portlaw, Co. Waterford, Ireland, but moved to Croydon as a boy.

Just a quick message to say Thank You. The information you added here has put many things into perspective for the 81-year-old man I was researching for. It has filled a big gap in his knowledge of his family. Thank you so much.

[aghadowey]

Keep this family in mind-

Death of Michael Ryan, age 11, father Michael Ryan, coachman, at The Bridge, Portlaw- informant was brother (Pierse)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05963/4695174.pdf
Birth- at 3 Curtis St., Portlaw- father Michael Ryan a coachman, mother Catherine HIGGINS-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1882/02768/2015793.pdf

Michael Ryan and Catherine Higgins married 1868- his father listed as William Ryan-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11469/8215758.pdf
Daughter Mary (1869), Main St. (father stableman)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1869/03381/2239560.pdf
Son Pierce (1871) , Main St. (father servant)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1871/03293/2206763.pdf
Daughter Johanna (1874), Main St. (father stableman)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1874/03145/2153575.pdf
Daughter Bridget (1878). 6 Bridge St. (father coachman)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1878/02974/2089398.p

Pierce Ryan in 1901 and 1911 working as a groom at Curraghmore-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Portlaw/Curraghmore/1768298/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Portlaw/Curraghmore/909657/
Married 1928- father Michael, groom-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1928/09092/5289179.pdf
Death in 1941- widow Brigid living at Curraghmore-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04703/4255578.pdf

[Stephen K]

Thank you for all that information. I had already discovered this for myself however the gentleman I am researching this for is insistent that Catherine's maiden name was Fogerty and not Higgins.

[aghadowey]

Thank you for all that information. I had already discovered this for myself however the gentleman I am researching this for is insistent that Catherine's maiden name was Fogerty and not Higgins.

Would have been nice if you'd mentioned that in original post. Have still been searching for more information but will stop now until my questions have been answered or at least addressed.

[Stephen K]

I have just spoken to the person I'm researching for. He tells me he got the Fogarty name from his mother. He never knew her. I always had my doubts that Higgins might have been the correct connection, but because of his insistence, I went along with Fogarty. So now I'm not so sure. Also in this conversation, and just as important, he now tells me that Kitty may in fact be Nettie/Netty.

[aghadowey]

I have just spoken to the person I'm researching for. He tells me he got the Fogarty name from his mother. He never knew her. I always had my doubts that Higgins might have been the correct connection, but because of his insistence, I went along with Fogarty. So now I'm not so sure. Also in this conversation, and just as important, he now tells me that Kitty may in fact be Nettie/Netty.

So does this mean he doesn't really know anything about 'Kitty' and that born c1880 in Portlaw is possibly not too accurate?
Nettie/Netty could be nickname for Ann, Hannah, etc. but wondering it it could be Nellie/Nelly (Ellen)?