Lancelot Rouse, where are you?

[oldohiohome]

arrived Canada Quebec, on the Emperor of Ireland, March 1907, but boat and date scrached out and replaced with 1900

the manifest for this arrival doesn't mention 1907 or the ship, but just says he arrived Canada 1900

[oldohiohome]

at International Falls, Minnesota
arriving US December 31, 1909
Liebert Giford, 31, b Dublin, sails maker, last permanent residence: Sheho, Manitoba
headed to Cusson, Minnesota
5ft 8in, fair complexion, red hair, blue eyes,

arrived Canada Quebec, on the Emperor of Ireland, March 1907, but boat and date scrached out and replaced with 1900

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK31-VZNF?lang=en


same event, but says Sheo, Sask. as last residence
carrying $25
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CTQN-CYT2?lang=en

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Land grant, Saskatchewan, Canada
applied 3 August 1907, granted 11 March 1911
middle name of Edw. is scratched out

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age 28
arriving London
embarked: Wellington, New Zealand
8 June 1905 on the Gothic
ports of voyage: New York [from ancestry's index to the record]
occupation: Shreman (?) Slireman? Stereman?
the image says nothing about New York


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I can't access this, so I don't know if it is him
Edward Gifford
Publication Date    10 Mar 1900
Publication Place    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Newspaper Title    The Montreal Daily Star

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to add to Sandra's post
they were living on Rivard St when married and in 1931

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edited to remove some duplication with Sandra's posts earlier, which I had passed over. I think I removed all the duplication.

[oldohiohome]

I found this:

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/183279-liebert-gifford-british-navy/

but when I got to the last post, I realized it was you. To quote: " (Around 1998 or so in the earliest incarnation of the internet, I came across a reference to Liebert Gifford working on a boat sailing from Ireland to, I think it was South America at the age of 16; unfortunately the internet ate the reference later and I haven't found it again."

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I didn't find the voyage to South America.

[Abhanliath]

Thank you so much for all this!
Liebert seems to have preferred to live strangely inland for a seaman!
Edward could have been his brother, Frederick Edward Gifford - if there's an age it would be clearer which it was.
There were five of the lads in the Americas at various stages: Liebert (I have no idea where this name came from - perhaps a family name, perhaps from a French branch); Cecil, who became a tragic alcoholic after WWI and died, I think, trying to cross from NY State to get to Liebert; Edward, who went to San Francisco where I've found little about him; Claude, a barrister; Gabriel, an artist, who lived in New York; also their sister Ada, and, briefly, their sisters Helen and Sidney. (I've failed to find Sidney's marriage to Arpad Czira…)
As far as I can track him, Liebert first left home around 16, after an education which included the Metropolitan School of Art and the excellent Dublin school called High School. He worked for the British "Merchant Navy" (British ships sailing around the world collecting and delivering goods).
In 1924 Lancelot Rouse tried to cross into the US, naming Liebert as his father.
In 1928 Liebert and Alice Eva Rouse marry.
(In the 1921 census of Canada, in Montreal, district something like St Autant, the Rouse family includes what looks like Ali(?), Eva and Lancelot - the birthplace of the father is given as Ireland, and everything else about him as Ireland or Irish. I can't read a lot of this, it's very scrawly.)
There are some Rouse births 1879-81 in Ireland listed in the civil records - https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/search/?church-or-civil=all&firstname=&lastname=Rouse+&location=&yearStart=1879&yearEnd=1881&event-birth=1&_day=&month=&mothers-surname=&age-at-death=&relation-0= and there are 205 Rouses in the 1901 census of Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Rouse&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=countySort&pageSize=100&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=0
(I tried to save the 1921 census page here but the server spat it back.)

[Kiltaglassan]

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Rouse&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=countySort&pageSize=100&houseNumber=&famil
iesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=0

Use ShrinkLink for long links
https://www.rootschat.com/links/

[Kiltaglassan]

Parent's marriage.
Frederick Gifford to Isabella Julia Burton - 27 April 1872
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11307/8148744.pdf

Gifford - 1901 census
House 375 in Palmerston Road (Rathmines & Rathgar East, Dublin)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Palmerston_Road/1293833/

[*Sandra*]

Liebert, (né 1876 Irlande) était beau-père de Lancelot. Ce Liebert etait l'enfant cheri de sa mère; il a travaillé sur les bateaux de 16 ans d'age.

Translation :-

Liebert (born 1876 in Ireland) was Lancelot's stepfather. This Liebert was his mother's darling child; he worked on ships from the age of 16.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Mothers first marriage :-

Alice May Sampson - Spinster -   Marriage Banns (Marriage Bann) 1901
Marriage Banns Place   Saint Mary, Islington: Upper Street, Islington, England
Spouse   Henry James Rouse  - Bachelor -   Parish Register.

Henry James Rouse passed away 1921 Calgary

Alberta Death Index
Name: Henry Rouse - Death Date: 1921
Death Place: Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Registration Number: 640

FIND A GRAVE


Inscription
434110 PTE. H ROUSE 31ST BTN. C.E.F.

Union Cemetery
Calgary, Calgary Census Division, Alberta, Canada
Plot
Section N-Field, Block 9, Lot 34

Bio as per find a grave :- WWI Regimental - 434110
Enlisted Dec. 31, 1914 at Calgary, Alberta in the 31st Battalion and served in France. Severely wounded in 1916. Discharged Dec. 31, 1917, being medically unfit for further service.
Next-of-kin: Mrs. Lizzie Craig, High Rd., Chiswick, London, England.

Son of Mark and Annie Rouse.
Henry James Rouse and Alice May Sampson were married at London, England in 1902.

Father of Henry James Rouse- Mark Rouse - 1840 - 1898 buried :- 

FIND A GRAVE

St Mary the Virgin Churchyard
Merton, London Borough of Merton, Greater London.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/281299445/mark-rouse

Mark Rouse married twice. First marriage..


Annie Josephine Reeves - Father's Name   John Reeves
Spouse's Name   Mark Rouse - Marriage Date   9 Jan 1870
Marriage Place   Newington, England.

Ann passed 8 th April 1884 Islington London

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1054279

Father Mark remarried 1887


Mark Rouse - 15 October 1887  (aged 47 years)
Birth Date   abt 1840
Marriage Place   Saint George the Martyr: Borough High Street, Southwark, England
Father   John Beaumont Rouse
Spouse   Susanna Harriet Roberts

Brother Edward Mark Rouse 1872 - passed 1925

FIND A GRAVE

Epsom Cemetery
Epsom, Epsom and Ewell Borough, Surrey.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187825506/edward_mark-rouse

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Death Notice

The Calgary Albertan
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Sat, 5 Nov 1921
Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-calgary-albertan/184931529/

Sandra