Smith's help!

[Ladyhawk]

It was worth a try.

SS, a year older today

Apologies for going off thread....But just reread whole thread, and missed this...

Happy belated birthday for the 14th November SS 

I missed that too Cas - so I ditto your belated birthday wishes to SS 

Wonder if the first Margarite died?

If Margaret was b 1875 there is a possibility that John Smith may not be her father if he was the possible 1871/1872 death... if I recall, been a few days since this thread.

Margaret Smith born ? Oct 1865 to John Smith, bricklayer's labourer & Mary nee Burns,
informant mother Mary she made her mark, 2 Allum Street Manchester (see image at reply 28 from SS)

Don’t know about this 1866 death entry as the address is different from b/c above

26th October 1866, 6 Lomas Street, Manchester
Margaret Smith age 1 year daughter of John Smith a Labourer
informant mother Mary Smith present at death, same address she made her mark

[Cas (stallc)]

I think it is a very good possible Ladyhawke. I think as Mary Jane was the only child in 1871 the death was before census. Also mother Mary would not rename a daughter Margaret if she was still living.

2nd Margaret was a key player/ witness/ godparent in this family. Confirmed by Jonwarrn posts.

[wilcoxon]

Reply 81

Don’t know about this 1866 death entry as the address is different from b/c above
26th October 1866, 6 Lomas Street, Manchester
Margaret Smith age 1 year daughter of John Smith a Labourer
informant mother Mary Smith present at death, same address she made her mark

Could this be the one.

England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2024
Margaret Smith Age1
Record Type Burial
Birth Date abt 1865    Burial Date 28 October 1866
Manchester General Cemetery Grave Number P G

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Harpurhey/ManchesterGeneral

[softly softly]

Hi Guys, many thanks for birthday wishes. Had a great day. Hope the next 73 years go a bit slower.

With regard to this post I must confess I have lost tracks with it somewhat. Am I right in thinking op is awaiting a marriage cert that hopefully might pull together some of the research undertaken.

Speak soon I'm sure.

SS

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi Guys, many thanks for birthday wishes. Had a great day. Hope the next 73 years go a bit slower.

With regard to this post I must confess I have lost tracks with it somewhat. Am I right in thinking op is awaiting a marriage cert that hopefully might pull together some of the research undertaken.

Speak soon I'm sure.

SS

Hi SS...Yes, OP has ordered the 1864 marriage, 1871 death for John Smith, also the marriage of James McAndry/Honora Byrne.

Think the death may have been PDF format. Think he may want to see if father match on marriages with more leads on Byrne/Burn.

But I may be wrong about his intention re father of Mary & Honora/Ann

Cas

[jonwarrn]

SS, very happy belated birthday wishes from me too.

More great research and posts from Cas, wilcoxon, and Ladyhawk since I was last here.

Am I right in thinking op is awaiting a marriage cert that hopefully might pull together some of the research undertaken.

One thing we are missing is the Burns/Smith family (presuming they are one family!) in the 1881 census. Minus Mary Jane of course, who was with the McAndrews.
That could pull things together, and they must surely be in Bradford. But I can't find them at all.
John

[Cas (stallc)]

I have looked high & low for 1881, I agree would be key to tie together.  The only thing I can think is census may be damaged, unreadable, mistranscribed or under another name.

Family also maybe took a return trip to Ireland for whatever reason.....

Added - also think there is enough evidence to link family together via baptism/ BMD/ godparent/ witness/ shared census etc, plus memory of OP Aunt re Holland family.

Hopefully the certs will help OP further.

[ManchesterJohnson]

No certificates as yet.

Did find a grave of interest though, which is unusual for my family!

Florence Holland, a person who was of interest before I started this thread. Known to my Aunt.

Grave confirms what you guys had uncovered, which is always good. I think there's still some uncertainty at the top of this line, connecting Mary Burns with Florence. For now I have James Burns being Mary Burns brother.

[Cas (stallc)]

By the way, a marriage in Dec 1879, Manchester 8d 384
Burns, James
Smith, Mary
(also Patrick Gerity and Mary Burns!)

Lancashire BMD
1879
James Burns + Mary Byrne
James Burns + Mary Smith
Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended
Ref MCR_RM/97/113

I would not rule out the marriage between James Burns & Mary Smith

Patrick Gerity married Mary Burns. Very useful note was left by a researcher in this case.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8913/records/10816732

They posted on Patrick...Father - Thomas Gerity. Patrick a plasterer , address 18 Back Woodward St, Ancoats. Married at St Anns RCJunction St. Wife  - Mary Burns, her father Michael Burns.(The Ellen Buxton on list is a different district so mistranscription)

So that leaves the Smith - Burns marrying each other.

As per Lancs BMD as mentioned above by John, on the Smith - Burns marriage. It could have been recorded as Mary Smith was (or nee) Byrne marrying James Burns, or similar.