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Re: Smith's help!
« Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 15:07 »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/176087856/john-william-smith

Not too sure about Anne Broughton, but it does seem to be a private plot as it has a headstone.

Looks like Anne Broughton is sister Ann/Annie

1939 register has her as Anne Broughton with the Holland family birth 24 Oct 1881

Is she the first born baptism Joanna b 24 Oct 1880 reply #57 given by John.. But called Ann?

Catherine Holland has a birth of 26 June 1883  not 26 Jan 1883.  Possible error transcript in bapt register? written plainly in 1939

1939 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61596/records/26905783

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141378736/benjamin-holland with wife Catherine


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« Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 16:12 »
Just to tie up the Holland family 1921 has them indexed Hollard. Catherine age 37- 0 mths so born June. No extended family in household

1921 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/63150/records/27066317
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« Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 16:36 »
Annie Burns 
Marriage Age   21
Event Type   Marriage
Birth Year   abt 1881
Marriage Date   24 May 1902
Marriage Place   Bradford, St Aidan, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears   Manchester, St Aidan
Father   James Burns, lab
Spouse   Ernest Hesford
Reference Number   GB127.M190/2/2/1

(both Annie & Ernest Hesford and father James Burns in the Holland Household in 1911)

1902 marriage -  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2962/records/6621702

Annie Hesford
Birth Date   24 Oct 1880 (same as bapt for Joanna, found by John reply #57)
Residence Place   Bradford Manchester
Relation to Soldier   Widow
Title   WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers

Pension record - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61588/records/111736032

Ernest Hesford (widow Annie Broughton)
Death Date   22 Jul 1916
Death Place   2nd West Gen Hosp Mchstr
Rank   Private
Regiment   Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
Regimental Number   15689

Ernest, record dated 1919 -  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/60506/records/756087

Annie Hesford
Registration Date 1919
Registration Quarter   Apr-May-Jun
Registration District   Prestwich
Inferred County   Lancashire
Spouse   Leonard Broughton
Volume Number   8d Page number   804

Notes from reply #57
Notes: Ipsa matrimonium contraxit die 3 mensis Maii anno 1919 cum Leonardo Broughton in hac Ecclesia Stae Brigidae apud Bradford. Praesentibus testibus Jacobo Burns et Helenae Broughton. J. C. Holland

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« Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 17:56 »
1921 47 Goole Street Bradford
Ada Donner 50 Years 8 MonthsWife Edith Donner13 Years 8 Months
DaughterAmelia Donner10 Years 7 MonthsDaughter
Leonard Broughton29 Years 7 MonthsBoarder b Bradford works for Post Office
Anne Broughton39 Years 1 Month boarder b Bradford

1939

 Leonard Broughton Marital Status SingleB
Birth Date12 Dec 1894
Residence Date1939cResidence Place Stretford, Lancashire, EnglandOccupationPostman



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« Reply #67 on: Yesterday at 18:01 »
1921 47 Goole Street Bradford
Ada Donner 50 Years 8 MonthsWife Edith Donner13 Years 8 Months
DaughterAmelia Donner10 Years 7 MonthsDaughter
Leonard Broughton29 Years 7 MonthsBoarder b Bradford works for Post Office
Anne Broughton39 Years 1 Month boarder b Bradford

1939

 Leonard Broughton Marital Status SingleB
Birth Date12 Dec 1894
Residence Date1939cResidence Place Stretford, Lancashire, EnglandOccupationPostman


Looked at that one but don't think it is her, it's odd. Birth mths don't match and it has her Dutch born
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« Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 18:06 »
Sorry closer inspection it says British born. Could be possible..

Added - looks likely as in 1911 he has a sister named Ellen bc 1896  likely witness as Helenae at marriage
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« Reply #69 on: Yesterday at 19:04 »
1921 Says Bradford on Ancestry

Could this be Leonard's death , same date but 1 year out.
Leonard Broughton  death Age 81
Birth Date12 Dec 1893
Registration Date Oct 1975[Nov 1975][Dec 1975]
Registration QuarterOct-Nov-Dec Registration District Manchester
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Re: Smith's help!
« Reply #70 on: Today at 09:06 »
Wow, this is all so much to taker in for an amateur like me!

Thank you everyone, it's going to take some time to look through. On scanning through, the Broughton link is interesting as Broughton's married into the family via Mary Smith's and James Cain's daughter Josephine (b 1899 - my Aunty Jo).

One frustrating thing... I got a notification the GRO had refunded my money for the John Mith Mary Burns marriage cert. Took me ages to understand till I realised I'd said the date was 1964 and not 1864... doh... Have reordered properly.

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« Reply #71 on: Today at 13:10 »

Thank you everyone, it's going to take some time to look through. On scanning through, the Broughton link is interesting as Broughton's married into the family via Mary Smith's and James Cain's daughter Josephine (b 1899 - my Aunty Jo).

Marriage in 1925 to John Broughton

Interestingly, but maybe coincidence..Leonard Broughton does have a brother John in 1911 census b 1899 living 12 Rhodes Street Bradford Manchester. Same street as Margaret Pendlebury nee Smith, as mentioned by John in previous replies.

1911 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2352/records/26023720

Maybe if the same John Broughton they possibly met through Leonard & Anne Broughton nee Burns.

If the records found are the correct ones, (seems they are, would need confirming with death of John Smith and both marriages of mother Mary) Anne Broughton would be half sister to Mary Jane Cain nee Smith
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