Smith's help!

[jonwarrn]

1891 same family in Bradford, Lancs
James McAndrew 56   Head
Ann McAndrew 50   Wife
Jane Welsh 70   Mother-in-law
Mary Jane Smith   21   Niece (occ is similar to marriage info)
John W Smith 18   Brother (brother to Mary Jane?)
Maggie Smith 16   Sister

Address was 20 Birch Street

Possible marriage for Margaret (Maggie), who may also be the marriage witness for Mary Jane in 1895
Unfortunately it's transcription only, but we have transcripts on two sites, including Lancashire OPC

4 October 1900 St Brigid, Bradford cum Beswick
Joannem Hall Pendlebury
+
Margaretam Smith, of 37 Chatham Street
father Joannis Smith (Ancoats, Manchester).
witnessed by Samueli Frederico Fecht, Francisca Teresia Fecht, of 3 Horace Street, Ardwick

The Pendleburys don't appear to have had any children.
In 1901 they are at 14 Birch Street, Bradford
Previous schedule is a Nathaniel McAndrew at number 12
Margaret is 25, Cotton operative, born Lancashire Bradford
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GZ-55P

1911 at 36 Rhodes Street, Bradford
Margaret is 35, born Lanc Bradford Manc
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1V-KGS

Still there in 1921, transcribed Pondlebury
In 1939 Margaret is again at 36 Rhodes Street, now widowed, date of birth 14 April 1875.

[wilcoxon]

Not much help really but ..... could be.
John Hall Pendlebury, retiree , buried 12 March 1938 aged 64.
Margaret Pendlebury buried 30 June 1969 aged 93.
Buried at Phillips Park Cemetery Manchester
 In  the same plot G 427

[jonwarrn]

She lived to a great age!

Using Lancs OPC, there are some baptisms at Bradford St Brigid featuring Margaret as godparent, including
2 June 1902, Helena Cryer filia Jacobi Cryer & Mariae (formerly Doran), godparent Margareta Pendlebury
18 June 1905, Arthur Holland, filius Benjamini Holland & Catherinae (formerly Burns), godparents: Jacobus Cain; Margareta Pendlebury
11 June 1914, Florentia Holland, filia Benjamin Holland & Catharinae (formerly Burns), godparent Margarita Pendlebury
1 May 1916 - godparent for all three, Margarita Pendlebury
Julianna Byrne, filia Jacobi Byrne & Juliannae (formerly Manning)
Jacobus Byrne - filius Jacobi Byrne & Juliannae (formerly Manning)
Anna Byrne - filia Jacobi Byrne & Juliannae (formerly Manning)
Gives birth dates. Address 45 Chatham street.

[Cas (stallc)]

Some great sleuthing John! Ties the family together with James Cain being a godparent alongside Margaret

Well found!

Wonder if the first Margarite died? If Margaret was b 1875 there is a possibility that John Smith may not be her father if he was the possible 1871/1872 death... if I recall, been a few days since this thread.

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Not taking your thunder John but with yours and a few others help on thread the OP has it cracked, could not resist looking up 1921

James Burns b c 1886 Bradford, Manchester with wife & children at same address.  (Looks like Byrne/Burns is interchangeable)

If access 1921 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/63150/records/27063877

His father is James Burns, wonder if this is brother to Mary Burns, (mother of Mary Jane) Catherine Holland nee Burns is a Witness they must all be cousins/related?

Marriage - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2962/records/1050387597

1939 register, couple at same address

Cas

[jonwarrn]

Hi Cas, thanks, your Bradford lead has been so helpful here.
I agree that they must be cousins.
I think the OP had it right in 1871 with the Smiths in Smiths Court! Did John then die and perhaps Mary moved to where her relatives were living?
Even though there should be one in 1875, I can't see an obvious birth reg for Margaret, or a baptism, a pity as either could be helpful. Maybe it's 50/50 as to whether John was still alive and really her father.
John

[jonwarrn]

In 1939 Margaret is again at 36 Rhodes Street, now widowed, date of birth 14 April 1875.

Maybe?
A baptism from Lancs OPC
14 April 1875, St Anne, Ancoats
Margarita Burns, filia Mariae Burns
Born 14 April 1875 (same day!)
Abode 5 Lee St.
Godparent Anna Lee
Baptised by P. Liptrott

[Cas (stallc)]

In 1939 Margaret is again at 36 Rhodes Street, now widowed, date of birth 14 April 1875.

Maybe?
A baptism from Lancs OPC
14 April 1875, St Anne, Ancoats
Margarita Burns, filia Mariae Burns
Born 14 April 1875 (same day!)
Abode 5 Lee St.
Godparent Anna Lee
Baptised by P. Liptrott
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Your on a roll John. I would say that is (Margaret/Maggie) it does look like John Smith was not her father, with giving  her maiden surname. His death must be between 1871 - 1874 possibly, unless the marriage folded?

Great stuff!

[jonwarrn]

Thanks Cas.
That date of birth is a bit of a coincidence, maybe too much, and you would expect there to have been a baptism for Margaret, so I think you are right.

Just one more set of godparents, last time!
It's the baptism of Hilda, another child of Benjamin Holland and wife Catherine, nee Burns
9 August 1923, at St Brigid, Bradford
godparents Jacobus Cain, Gertrudis Cain

So it could be James senior or James junior there.