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[ManchesterJohnson]

Thank you again everyone. The Burns / Byrne connection is interesting at Byrne is a good old Irish name.

Mary Janes’s father is listed as deceased on her marriage certificate so her living with family would be a reality. The fact you’ve found her with  the other men Burns family definitely ups the ante.

Bradford is not far from Ancoats, and coincidentally is where my mother’s family came from. Mary Jane is on my paternal side. I’ll plug these links into my tree and see how it looks.

Thank you again everyone I’m learning a lot from how you guys search.

[softly softly]

I like all the research recently done and have no doubts that is the 3 children in 1891 census. my slight issue is that John W(1873 but baptised 1872) and Maggie (1875, or is her age incorrect and should be 26=1865 a per baptism.There is a very strong death in late 1871 Manchester for John aged 30 who was 30 in 1871 census.

SS

added, below birth a possible, date of birth different from baptism.
who was at that address in 1865 rate books and is it possibly the same address as 1864 marriage?

[wilcoxon]

Allum Street is close to Newton Street. Ancoats  A fire proof mill was there in 1863

In 1866 a waste warehouse burnt down . Close to Allum Street and Union Street.
It's in lots of newspapers.
Not much help really but just a clue to the location.

I don't know where to find Rate Books on Ancestry 

[ManchesterJohnson]

Modified...

The 1881 census with the McAndrey's shows Mary Jane as the niece, at the right age and born in Manchester. As her father is listed as deceased on her marriage cert, that ties together.

Jane Weish is listed as the mother-in-law, so if I'm getting this correctly, that means Ann McAndrey (McAndrew), the wife of James McAndry, must have been a sister to Mary Jane's mother, Mary. That also maps with the logic of her being Mary Jane. I'm assuming Welsh is her married name.

I'll keep digging.

[wilcoxon]

I think this is the man who was at the baptisms J Gornall.
Piece 4033 Folio33 Page number22

1871 Ancoats Manchester
Rev John Gornall b 1824 Preston
Occupation  Catholic priest of St Albans.

Are the Smiths in the same area. 

[ManchesterJohnson]

wilcoxon, the SMiths were definitely in the Ancoats area, as were my grandparents and I spent time there as a kid. Mary Jane also quotes an Ancoats address on her wedding cert, but the evidence here says she was living in Bradford. Now Bradford in Manchester is only a few miles away from Ancoats, but that was still a trek in those days. Still, it is tying together.

[softly softly]

Bradford to Ancoats roughly 1.7 miles.

SS

[ManchesterJohnson]

ss, yeah - I suppose that's only half an hours walk. And I like the coincidence, as my mothers family is from the Bradford area.

So I think that is her!

Her parents John and Mary came to England sometime after 1840's with his sister Ann (Byrne/Burns) and their mother Jane Welsh ne Burns/Byrne.

It definitely helps explain my Irish DNA results!

[Cas (stallc)]

Think this maybe the 1871 for Ann Byrne. Age is out but image could be 31.  So likely unmarried on marriage to McAndry? I would not assume relationship until more evidence. Connection could be a Burn/Byrne cousin...Jane could have remarried a Welsh etc.

Godparents are normally sponsored to step in if anything happens to parents if I am correct. I think there are clues in the children's bapts as godparent relationships can be family or close friends

1871 - All Souls, Manchester (New Cross)
Anne Byrne   21   Head, unmarried, Ireland
Jane Welsh 56 Mother, Widow, Ireland
Anne Mee 15  Boarder
Mary Hunt 70 Boarder
Anne Hunt 28  Boarder

If access - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7619/records/17718563

I would try use DNA. Have you tried a search for surnames and area in your DNA tab to see if on right track with any hits? Can be tricky finding connection, but the search in DNA tab all have some link to you.

Added - would remember there is over 4 yrs between 1891 census and marriage address in 1895, would check the surname of people/wife at marriage address for possible family connection maybe.