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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 08 November 25 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Yes, he lied about being born in Quetta India when he attested for the military in 1904. He also lied about his age. He may have wanted to disguise his true identity, because he was under age. Perhaps he thought if he gave the wrong place of birth, nobody could do a check on his age. He probably did not have his parents' permission to join the military.
Many young men did lie about their age, or give other false information, when they attested, for various reasons.

Don't rely on Ancestry transcripts. Read the actual record.
All his census records give his birth in Edmonton or Enfield or Wimbledon.

His BIRTH CERT.
HARMAN, LEVI  PRINCE VICTOR    - 
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 403


His mother was Rose Florence HARMAN born 13 June 1862 Surrey.

His adoptive father was Robert Henry LUCK born 8 Nov 1862 Ealing.
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 08 November 25 23:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
    You may already have done this but Findmypast has the original record to view, you may be able to see it for free at the moment.
     
The record definitely gives his birth as Quetta, and Bengal is corrected to Balochistan, so no real transcription error there, and it is repeated on his medical record, and gives his father’s name and his own marriage.
Perhaps it is the subsequent census records that are at issue.
When did his parents marry?
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 09:28 »
Looks to me as if the only info you can assume is genuine fact may be the abodes on the census records  ??? All the rest could be hearsay ... Apart from his mother of course.
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:52 »
Possible parents marriage,

Marriages Dec 1897  )

Edwardes    Rose Florence        Kensington    1a   397   
Luck    Robert Henry                Kensington    1a   397    

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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 10:04 »
Info only 1891 census
Piece   138
Folio   135
Page 6

Frank Edwards 29   Head
Rose Edwards   28   Wife
Prince Edwards 3   Son
William Herman  71 Father in law
William Herman 32   Brother-in-law

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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 11:54 »

Don't rely on Ancestry transcripts. Read the actual record.
All his census records give his birth in Edmonton or Enfield or Wimbledon.

His BIRTH CERT.

HARMAN, LEVI  PRINCE VICTOR    - 
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 403

His mother was Rose Florence HARMAN born 13 June 1862 Surrey.

His adoptive father was Robert Henry LUCK born 8 Nov 1862 Ealing.

Levi Prince Victor Harman-Luck Age 17
Birth Date   6 Aug 1889 (looks as if year should read 1887)
Residence Date   2 May 1907
Station   Baynards
Company   London, Brighton and South Coast
Description Traffic staff: register of appointments 1856 - 1907
UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956

Same date of birth for Levi V Luck on 1939 register
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 12:17 »

Info only 1891 census
Piece   138
Folio   135
Page 6

Frank Edwards 29   Head
Rose Edwards   28   Wife
Prince Edwards 3   Son
William Herman  71 Father in law
William Herman 32   Brother-in-law

   
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Rose Harman
Baptism    2 Nov 1862 Godalming, Surrey,
Father William Harman, carpenter Mother Elizabeth

Prince Edwards Age   5
Birth Date   12 Aug 1887
Admission Date   9 Jul 1893
School   Holy Trinity School
Father   Frank, abode 16 Winchester Terrace
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 12:23 »
Prince Edwards was admitted to Holy Trinity School Westminster London on 9 July 1893
Dob 12 /8/87.
Parent Frank. 16 Winchester Terrace . Last school St Stephen's.
So he was educated well.

What happened to Frank Edwards
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Re: Strange place of birth on WWI pension records
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 12:24 »
LADYHAWK.  We got there together 😆
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