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Llodrog?
« on: Friday 07 November 25 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Does anybody know where Llodrog is? This is the register of the Three Crosses Chapel, Gower. Cant see any trace of it on Google Maps or the NLS maps.

Thanks,
David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 November 25 19:46 GMT (UK) »
How about this place - same parish, if a few miles nearer the coast?

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/7b8361d1-4f52-4e17-a1d4-7f0f5f4dbb07


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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 November 25 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Just found a newspaper report from 1869 of Penclawdd Eisteddfod which mentions someone from Llodrog, so looks like it could be the right place, just going under various spelling/anglicisation options

I found a reference to a Llodrog in Pembrey - which on a map was Lletrog - so looks like a possible scenario

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 November 25 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Thats amazing thank you! This register is giving me a bit of a headache tonight.

Can I also ask about this please? "Mary daughter of John Jenkin, labourer, Llanelltid Parish in the county of Glamorganshire by Lucy his wife born 19 Sep 1817 and bap 09 Nov 1817."

Cant see a parish called Llanelltid? Can possibly see a hamlet in the Gower called Llethryd?

Many thanks,
David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering


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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 November 25 20:13 GMT (UK) »
these are the parishes in the Hundred of Swansea and nothing like it there.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/hundred.Swansea

There is a Llanilid but not nearby
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanilid

Llechryd is very small but not that far from Three Crosses.

I can help you with the bottom entry on the page for William son of John Jones. I think the residence should be Ffosfelin which is an older name for Gowerton which was in the parish of Loughor at that time.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 November 25 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all your help. My 5GG John Jenkin(s) was first married at Llanrhidian in 1799 to Mary Fox. He's apparently of Bishopston (not far away). Mary dies the follwing year and then he remarries a Lucy/Luce Rosser in 1801. Banns read at Loughor (her parish) and Llanrhidian.

Only found 4 children. William Jenkin 1808 in Pennard, and another William 1811 (but no burial for the first one?). Anne in 1814 in Ilston and Mary born 19 Sep 1817 listed in the Three Crosses Congregational register. (abode of Llanelltid Parish).

Cant work out why the children are so late? Was he in military service? If so, cant see any trace of it. Just made the 1841 census. John and Lucy living in Ilston. John dies in 1843 and buried at Bishopston (his residence was Parkmill (parish of Ilston)). Looks like by 1851, Lucy has upped sticks and gone to live with daughter Ann as shes stated as a Widow in 1851 census.

Thanks for you help!
David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 November 25 21:13 GMT (UK) »
My immediate reaction to Llanelltid was it's a version of Llanilltyd, which tends to be anglicised as Llantwit. The ones I know are  Llantwit Major in the Vale of Glam, and Llantwit Fardre near Pontypridd - a bit too far to be likely here.

However, a bit of rummaging on the web has taught me that the Welsh for Ilston is Llanilltud Gŵyr. Given the link to Parkmill later in life, it looks quite possible?

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 November 25 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Red post - Good spot, Mabel Bagshawe!

Not all non-conformist registers have survived & not all that survive are online so there may be more baptisms. Burials are often in parish churchyards as not all non-conformist churches have a graveyard. Three Crosses Congregational does, but not all registers will be online.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Non-Parochial_Registers_in_England_and_Wales

Three Crosses chapel
https://capelycrwys.org.uk/


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Llodrog?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 November 25 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Wow! That is amazing! Fantastic work there!!!

Thank you so so much!!!!
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering