What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia

[Essnell]

Hi,   I n the hope I might find a clue  as to when  Fred disappeared I have returned to Dianah Arden. 
Specifically looking for her marriage ??  to James Harrison. 
I cannot find one. 
However this helps.  Harrison joined the AIF in 1940, early in the year at Caufield.  Named His next of kin as D Harrison.  They had two girls one in 1938  and one in 1944. 

So Fred is off the scene there before 1938. Ie 1937.   Which is when his daughter was born. 
Perhaps he just left after finding out about James.  This s leaves him at a place near  Balranald  and on the route to Swan Hill. 

I am trying to find out how to access info on the Balranald Aboriginal Burial Ground.     
Essnell.

[bitzar]

Have you read this:

https://balranald.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Balranald-Shire-Heritage-Review-2013-Chapter-Five-Thematic-History.pdf

bitzar.

[bitzar]

I had previously searched the ww2 records without finding either of them.

There is one Frederick Calvert Atkinson MURRAY which is alluring in the selection of names as you can see !! Born 1895 I think

His father also was William.

However.  I cannot frame him as the right man.

Search here

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx

In an online tree, Frederick Calvert ATKINSON was his Aunt's (Father's sister, Ellen) husband.

bitzar.

[Essnell]

Hi  Bitzar,   Thank you for both your posts.   

re the PDF.  on Balranald Shire   .  firstly no I had not seen that.  now have it as a copy on Computer  and read almost all of it.  it has     Frederick's family recorded in it.   At the end there are contacts  and unfortunately the best person Besley Murray has died just a few years ago.   

Now I have also used the NAA link  - not following Frederic Calvert Atkinson but just the basic on Frederick Murray. 

There is a document concerning Frederick Murray held in these archives. 
It looks like Frederick's father William   must have filed a request at a police station in 1926 .  He has applied for a war pension as Frederick's Father.    there are reams of paper files, mostly all from Police , Federal Police  Immigration etc. 

I can't find out what happened ..  it's still not been examined for 'sensitivity'    . I am about to make a request for this file and it''s contents. 

Obviously William W. Murray was concerned.

what next?   Frederick Calvert Atkinson Murray.......
Essnell

[sparrett]

Regarding your reply#45


There was not a marriage to James Richard HARRISON for Dinah nee ARDEN becuase she was legally married to Frederick MURRAY.

She appears on the electoral roll in Horsham using the surname MURRAY, not HARRISON and is buried at Horsham Cemetery under the name MURRAY. Her headstone lists 3 daughters


James HARRISON did not register to vote at Horsham and who knows whether he lived there or not, but his death is recorded as taking place at Horsham. I do not see his burial and he is not mentioned on the headstone.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211586071/diana-margaret-murray.

Sue

[sparrett]

 

There is a document concerning Frederick Murray held in these archives. 
It looks like Frederick's father William   must have filed a request at a police station in 1926 .  He has applied for a war pension as Frederick's Father.    there are reams of paper files, mostly all from Police , Federal Police  Immigration etc. 

I can't find out what happened ..  it's still not been examined for 'sensitivity'    . I am about to make a request for this file and it''s contents. 

 
Essnell

I am confused here.

Why would this file be about the Frederick Murray of your interest?
If William (Walter) MURRAY had enlisted in ww1, his next of Kin would likely be his wife Lila who died in 1919.
I don't see an enlistment record for him. Have you seen one we missed?

Frederick, born 1903, would be too young being only 16 at the end of ww1

So why would there be a pension application.?
I cant see where the connection is.

Sue

[Essnell]

Hi sparratt.
Sue, I really do not know. It just came up in a search for Frederick Murray.
 Here is the first line
"""
Title
William Murray, father of Frederick Murray - War Pension claim ""

and the last line
""Date registered :28 Oct 1992""

the rest is all the rec nos etc of where it's held.  Actually in Melbourne Archives. 

I am thinking he is using Frederick as some kind of identifier.  maybe ??:   

No. I have not seen anything re William Walter in any army documents.

To me it's another reference of William and is son Frederick Murray. 

any way its interesting at least. 

Essnell
 

[Essnell]

Hi again  Sue,

Just got thinking - I am not positive but I believe Lila Lily also had another partner other than Walter.  That could have caused issues maybe.  who knows. 

Essnell.

[Essnell]

Hi   Everyone. 

At this point I am still not convinced that -----

Francis Frederick Murray is the same person as Frederick Murray.   So I purchased the Digital Copy of the marriage for Diana Margaret Arden.   
Francis and Diana were definitely married in 1926 at Lake Conda, St Marys Church.   
the Certificate does not mention an Aboriginal Mission .

However I looked up Lake Conda, St Mary's Church on the internet .  This was described as  a mission church on an Aboriginal Mission reserve at Lake Conda, Victoria. 

So this couple were at this mission run by the Church of England.
This reserve was once taken back by the Government but has since been returned to Indigenous ownership.

Now possibly my Frederick Murray, somewhere around Balraland and Swan Hill, had fathered a child called Frank and the girl inolved had this child in Footscray , Melbourne at a establishment there. 

I have no idea if Frederick followed her, or even if he knew but , as Lake Conda is not all that far away from Melbourne it's possible he was at this mission .  and changed his name!!!  Now i am thinking that this might mot be the case.

BUT a number of related trees have all of this in a mixed up concoction of relationships. 

Further: Frederick Murray is the only posssible person that fits DNA wise  and by date and location to be Frank's father. 

So I think it wise to put all  'Arden'  links aside for now and concentrate on Frederick Murray born 1903.
  Parents William Walter Murray and lila lily Murray [Atkinson] .   

My s-i-l's DNA matches are quite difficult to sort and I need to go back there and look harder at various individuals. 

 Be back soon.
Essnell