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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #36 on: Monday 01 December 25 06:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi:  found this about 5mins ago::

Name   Francis Frederick Murray
Gender   Male
Summary   Francis Frederick Murray prosecuted Arthur Richard Weston for unlawful assault at Moama Court, where Weston was fined £5.
Residence   May 7 1937
 Moama, New South Wales, Australia
Article themes   Crime And Legal Affairs, Local News
Newspaper   The Riverine Herald
Publication   May 8 1937
 Echuca, Victoria, Australia
Text   ...out at night than a mere a human pedestrian.. Unlawful Assault Charge At the Moama Court yesterday, before Mr A. B. Collins, P.M., Francis Frederick Murray proceeded against Arthur Richard Weston on a charge of unlawful assault. Weston was fined £ 5, with 18 /-costs, in...

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So in May 1937 he was still in Eucha. 

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #37 on: Monday 01 December 25 06:54 GMT (UK) »
The news item in Trove. 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/116210815?searchTerm=%22francis%20frederick%20murray%22

Weston was, I think, a petty criminal and a deserter from the forces in WW1.
Non-indigenous.

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #38 on: Monday 01 December 25 07:04 GMT (UK) »
Hard reading.
Sydney/Sidney John Murray. (proposed brother of Frederick MURRAY) in very tough times. 1930


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/131380924?searchTerm=%22sidney%20%20%20murray%20aborigine%22~8

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 02 December 25 03:55 GMT (UK) »
This news item about John ATKINSON divorcing his wife will interest you. 1907
The more I read the hazier it all becomes. :o
 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/119945428?searchTerm=%22harriet%20atkinson%20aboriginal%22~12

 
Vic marriage
ATKINSON John
 BROWN, Harriet
1879
4725/1879

EDIT to add.
This could be Frederick in 1932 round Balranald. It sounds as if he lived a couple of miles from Balranald

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143820142?searchTerm=%22fred%20murray%20aboriginal%22~12





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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 02 December 25 04:59 GMT (UK) »
The last sighting I can spot of the man Frederick MURRAY in his 1937 Electoral Roll listing in Balranald where he is a labourer.

His (proposed) brother  Sydney is in the vicinity and others of the surname too.

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 02 December 25 07:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sparratt

yes Sue,  It happened. I have learned quite a lot doing this research.  These people were not committed to one person in a marriage. Both male and female had other wives and husbands.  Children were born as and when.  So often there appear to be cross numbers unless the various partners can be established. 

After the missionaries arrived they were caught between two cultures. But even the new-commers were in instances caught up in this. 

Some adopted both and some the old established way.  It makes following any line extremely difficult. 

Re the electoral rolls: 1926

got two females Murray:  Alice Murray Cumeroogunga Moama.
                                        Alice Margaret Murray  Meninya St. Moama
                                        Harry James Murray Cumeroogunga, Moama

                                       Gladys Nichols Cumeroogunga, Moama
                                      Herbert Howard Nicholls Cumeroogunga, Moama

1939:   Murray, Francis Frederick Balranald, labourer
            Murray, Sydney John, The Island, Balranald, Station Hand.  [this is the person of the opossum story above]
            Murray, William , Bottle Neck , Balranald, Labourer  [would be their father  William Walter]
            Murray, Elizabeth Veronica, Shamrock Hotel, Balranald. School Teacher. 
  Still no death record in either name. 
          Essnell

Now I also found on My Heritage a story in the Rivereina Recorder, [ Balranald, Mouleamein ,NSW]
date 5th May 1926.

frederick Murray makes an application to the local council  to have the road that ran diagonally through his farm closed.  it was on the StockRoute between Balranald and Swan Hill. he proposed thet this could be exchanged for one on the South boundary of his property.

outcome reported next meeting.  after inspection... it was approved. 
Any way this is out Fredericlk   known there as Fred Murray.    even though on Elect rolls as Francis Frederick in1939 

I have looked for a later marriage but even that seems to not have happened. 


           

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 03 December 25 07:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone, 

My dad was born 1910 and he enlisted in WW11 in1942. He was 31 or so. 
Frederick Murray and Sydney John Murray would have been  a few years older than my Dad, but wondering if they might also have enlisted. 

Any ideas how to find out if. 
I'm looking for a reason that Frederick disappears at 1939. John lived to 1972 in Balranald.

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 03 December 25 07:43 GMT (UK) »
I had previously searched the ww2 records without finding either of them.

There is one Frederick Calvert Atkinson MURRAY which is alluring in the selection of names as you can see ;D !! Born 1895 I think

His father also was William. ::)

However.  I cannot frame him as the right man.

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Re: What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 03 December 25 08:31 GMT (UK) »
I looked at that WWI record too. That Frederick MURRAY died in 1966 aged 71, father William MURRAY and mother Maria MORGAN.  :) It is a strange coincidence of names and place.