What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia

[sparrett]

Hi Sue, Thanks again, this is all so helpful. 

Yes I am still digging through DNA connections.  Ian pretty sure that Frederick Murray is my mystery man.
There are so many links from other parts of his extended family that point to this.
 Now what I believe is that Frederick when 19 yrs old got with a 17 yr old called Mabel I know she had a c
Son in Footscray in 1922 and called him Frank last name Smith.

Frederick Murray apparently left her.  She passed the child over to her elder brother and he and his wife reared him. 

Little Frank is my S-i-l' Dad. He is deceased. Now the Arden connection come in through the name Haby it's one of the Matches but I can't remember where.
If I find that I will have a connection straight through. That would be good.  I do have a connection to three others who are cousins.  I am currently trying to get paper trails on this.

I am on the mobile so hope it is all okay. I will Pm you in the morning.   
Essnell.   

SMITH Frank
Mother Mabel Rose SMITH
Father -
FOOTSCRAY
31409/1922


Little Frank SMITH had father Frank Murray, you believe.

Frank MURRAY was also the father of child Barbara Lyel  MURRAY (within his marriage to Dinah Margaret ARDEN )

Barbara Lyel MURRAY married Wesley Bertram HABY and their child was Diana April HABY.

Frank Murray therefore is the common connection between Little Frank Smith and Diana April HABY.

Correct?  Is that where the HABY name in your findings comes in?
Sue

[Essnell]

Hi Sue. yes !    My page for Frederick has most of those bits of information.   

Barbara Lyall Murray  married Wesley in 1948 .   
about the Harrison name. I think  Frederick probably deserted Diana not long after they had the child. that's what he did with Mabel.
Diana married or at least partnered with James Harrison.  i have just searched and his full name was James Richard Kennedy Harrison.

I believe i have a link or at least searched and found a tree belonging to Secombe..  Christina the daughter married Leslie Secomb. 

still this is not a good /DNA Match till It conmes up on the list. 

Essnell.

[sparrett]

James Richard HARRISON
 Search here for the service record of James Richard HARRISON. Enlisted 1940. I would say His NOK is Dinah Margaret.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/AdvSearchAll.aspx


This item about an assault involving James Richard HARRISON. 1953 at Dimboola
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72765494?searchTerm=%22james%20richard%20harrison%22

Sue

[Essnell]

Hi Sue,  yes that would be him.  He was living at Dimboola on Electoral rolls.   I have had another victory tonight.  I have been chasing a third person in the 7x7 cluster who are all connected to this part of the search.  I got his family line a bit of luck there but it's another piece. Some of it was sad but also great. The gt gt gr. Parents survived the WW11 concentration camps..
Amazing.  I have a bit n more on the Harrison's they had 5 female children.
Essnell. More  later   

[sparrett]

I'm not much with DNA working and configurations I'm afraid

I don't know if you have this.
Tribute to Diana April nee HABY. AKA NIKKELSON and SMITH
https://www.thecourier.com.au/tributes-funerals/death-notices/466911/nikkelson-haby-diana-april-ballarat-vic/

Interred Ballarat.
Sue

[Essnell]

Hi Sue,  Thank you for the attached info .  No I don't have that Tribute. 
These things are just so useful when working in such close related times. 
 Lovely photo of her. 

Don't worry about the DNA side of it. It is what it is.
Essnell

[Essnell]

Sparrett, 
Thank you Sue for that as previous post. 

I had been searching again and found a  Smith Family  tree connected to Diana.  That was somewhat helpful in following Diana's family.  so     
Siblings:
Bernadeen Haby-King,
Sister
Brother

These are the children from William Darrell Smith

William James Smith ---- I would say Jamie in the Tribute
Female    Private
Mark Sonny Smith ----  Again in the Tribute
Female   Private
Female Private

Spouse Private
Male   Private

Spouse Nikkelson
Female  Private
Female Private

No Spouse
Female Private. 

This is two matching pieces of the search. 
I have not had a chance to look further at this but will do   :   
Tree belongs to Rhiannon Smith
Nothing else exciting today

Essnell

[Essnell]

Hi Sparrett  and Everyone, 

Thank you all and Sue,  I have a couple of questions. 

Because I cannot find a death for Frederick in either NSW or Vic. where he was mostly seen and known. I am wondering where he went. 

I have not checked all of Australia but that is possibly where he went.   
 However ,  after putting Frederick into the Ancestry search for family trees I came across one that said Frederick was in their tree.  When I looked further there is one match in both places  -  William Brazill 
Now  William Brazill actually has common matches with Frederick, on S-i-l's DNA matches.     No idea how as yet.   however the Brazill family seem to come from USA.  ........What if Frederick went there...

Would anyone here know if this was possible for Frederick to do?   

   Essnell

[David Nicoll]

Essnell,

   Hi, looks like you are making great progress in your search.
   In answer to your question, I see no reason why not. It is only relatively recently that systems have been linked up enough to make changing your name more challenging. Fifty or so years ago it would have been much easier. There are lots of historical examples, and stories of people jumping ship.