What happened to Frederick Murray born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia

[Essnell]

Hi  Everyone, 
I am on a DNA trail for an unknown Gt Grandfather.
 
 I know who he had a child by and who that child was .
Now after much searching I have concluded that this person should be related to someone in the time frame of 1898 1903 approximately as the known child was born C 1922. 

Now following that reasoning I have searched the NSW and VIC records for siblings of a couple showing in the DNA matches. 
I get 6 children on the NSW search engine  for this couple and the only from this family that i have is the only one whose certificate is available as a PDF. All their names are are listed ant the Rec Ref No - just this PDF is not. I don't' know if I can buy a full cert. 
   
 1.Any one know why the others are unavailable. 
I have not found a death Cert for him either.

 I am looking for Frederick Murray    born 1903 Moama NSW, Australia   

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 
Essnell
       

[maddys52]

You can purchase certificates even if it doesn't say PDF available. Purchase a transcription, the same information will be provided at a lower cost.

From the NSW BDM website:
"You can buy a print or digital copy of a birth, death or marriage certificate. Certificates will be listed as either:

    Readily available - this has already been created, and in most cases can be sent immediately by email.
    Unavailable - this is available to order, but processing times will apply as the PDF version of the original recorded image will need to be created."

https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search/search-guide
(see under "Hire a transcription agent")

[Neale1961]

 1.Any one know why the others are unavailable. 
   

Yes, confusing isn't it.  "Unavailable" just means nobody has ordered it yet, and therefore it is not available for immediate download. You just need to order the one you want. As Maddy suggests, a transcription agent can be faster and cheaper.

[maddys52]

I'm not quite sure from your post who the couple you have dna matches with are? Is it Frederick MURRAY's parents - William MURRAY and Lila ATKINSON? There seem to be more than 6 children born in NSW to this couple - 6 in Moama, 2 at Moulamein and 1 at Balranald.

[Essnell]

Yes that's them. Sometimes the records are in Victoria.
I will chase the other three in the morning.   I am really interested in Frederick and I have found nothing about him anywhere..

Thanks Maddys52 Nd Neale1961
For such quick replies.  Very helpful.
Essnell.

[Essnell]

Essnell again.  The DNA isn't to them but toa DNA match person 2 Generations away to whom these are related. 
If what I suspect is correct then they should be closer than what I can see so far.  Essnell.

[Essnell]

Hi . No luck finding Frederick on either database [NSW and Vic]. 

There are on Ancestry two people with information on Frederick . 
the marriage they have checks out to be as they say  . the search does not show parents ; there are two references on Vic BMD. 

1. has   his name as Frank Frederick
2. has  his name as Francis Frederick the date is 1926 at St Mary's Church, Lake Condah Aboriginal Mission, Portland, Vic. Aust.  He is married to Dinah Margaret Arden.

ESSNELL

[sparrett]

Hi Essnell,
I don't know if I am the only one, but I am a bit confused by your post and like others, would be happy to help if possible.

Your great grandfather is unknown.
He had a child with a woman (you know about her).
The child is your grandfather born in 1922.You know about him.

You have a DNA match to the Murray family,
 Frederick MURRAY may be the great grandfather you are seeking.

Is that right?

Sue

[Essnell]

Hi Sue an anyone else confused.  me probably as well:     to explain  This is not Me specifically. I am doing the research and have been appointed as Collaborator to my Son-in-laws DNA. No-one wants to do the work and as I am retired I have the time and the accounts etc to use to do the research.  [all available from my own searching for my GrGt Grandmother] 

so S-i-l's Father is known but who his parents were we did not know.     So that makes for unknown grandparents and great grandparents.   Those are what I am looking for.   

so there is S-i-l  then his father   with unknown parents , then following on from there, unknown gt grandparents.  particularly on the paternal side.  Initially I had no idea who the grandmother was either.  That I was able to solve from DNA and various searches.
So from what I have been able to sort out on  he paternal side through DNA and making many family trees etc I have reached a person of interest   Frederick Murray. He may be the missing Grandfather. His parents would be the great grandparents. Those that maddys52 posted and asked about.

hopes this helps
Sorry if I have confused everyone.
 

extra:  my post this morning   3:59am  UK time i think ...  anyway .....   from information re a marriage on two
Ancestry trees I found the entries for whom I think is him  in the Vic BMD,  The marriage has been recorded twice  - once in the name of Frank Frederick Murray and again in the name of Francis Frederick Murray . same spouse for each.  REf No 3807/1926
Before I go any further I need to check these two Ancestry person's trees.

Essnell