Hannah Charles

[MaecW]

On 24th April 1815 Hannah Charles married George Quinnell at St Michael the Archangel, Bristol. Both were noted as being “of this parish”.
Hannah and George later moved to Swansea where George died in 1841. Hannah then, late the same year, married Thomas Watkins, who died in 1850.

In 1851 Hannah (now Hannah Watkins) is living at 3 Castle Street, Swansea, together with her daughter-in-law (?) Margaret Watkins and a niece Elizabeth Hiles. The writing on the census form is rather faded but she clearly gives her birthplace as Somerset. The village/parish  name is very indistinct but looks to be something like “Haverthorpe”. I can't find anywhere with this, or a similar, name and and the “thorpe” ending sounds unlikely for Somerset. Even allowing for a Somerset accent being heard by a Welsh census taker ! Can anybody suggest where it might be, please ?

NB : I am aware that many Australian descendants of her son, William Quinnell, a convict, have settled on a Hannah Lilian May Charles from Oxfordshire as his mother, but this appears to be an error.

[CaroleW]

Does she name a father on the 1841 marriage cert to Watkins

[CaroleW]

This is an A-Z list of all places in England & Wales.   If nobody can identify it - you could have a look through all H listings that show Somerset

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/regindex2-2.pdf

[Milliepede]

Not finding that 1851 entry.  Are you able to post a clip of the Somerset part please?

Sorry found it now transcribed as Watkens

Possibly Stoke at the end of the place name  . Two words perhaps rather than one long one

[Milliepede]

Kew Stoke would be my guess.  I remember going there as a child on holiday, near Weston Super Mare.

[Daisypetal]

Old maps of Somerset here,

https://maps.nls.uk/joins/13021.html

So many small places to search through.


Regards,
Daisy

[osprey]

possible baptism for daughter-in-law/step daughter Margaret
St Mary, Swansea 30 Dec 1827 Margaret born 2 Nov daughter of Thomas (victualler) & Margaret Watkins.

Think getting the 1841 marriage cert is your best bet as it should give name & occupation of father. It's not showing up as a parish marriage. Possibly register office or non-conformist.

[osprey]

in case you don't have it, George's will
https://viewer.library.wales/128881#?xywh=-1463%2C0%2C5806%2C3231&cv=4

There's a burial 19 Jan 1842 for Eliza Quinnell aged 25 - with George & Hannah in 1841.

In 1853, there's an administration for the goods of Eliza Quinnell by Hannah Richards, wife of Thomas Richards, and mother of the late Eliza.

https://viewer.library.wales/321765#?xywh=590%2C965%2C824%2C458&cv=1

Possible marriage
St Peter, Carmarthen 20 Nov 1852 by licence
Thos. Richards full age bachelor gentleman Cambrian Place father Evan Richards builder
Hannah Watkins full age widow Cambrian Place father Robert Charles farmer
witnesses Wm Thomas & Catherine Thomas, all signes except Wm Thomas.

Haven't spotted the couple after this, although there is a widowed Hannah Richards in Swansea in 1871 who was born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire. But also a possible death reg june qtr 1869 age 79.

[MaecW]

Thank you to all respondents.

Carole: Thanks for drawing my attention to the marriage Cert. I took over this portion of the family tree from a cousin many years ago and had not registered that it was a bit short on sources. I'll follow up on that now.

Osprey : You are correct with the baptism of Margaret and the death of Eliza.
Incidentally, Thomas and Margaret had 12 children in all ; two earlier Margarets dying in infancy. I am fortunate to have a “Family Bible” with all recorded in it !
As a second wife, and without children by Thomas, Hannah had rather escaped our attention but she seems an interesting character and I am trying to fill in some of the gaps. I had rather assumed she had remarried after Thomas's death but had not found the marriage. The one to Thomas Richards certainly looks likely and Carmarthen is not that far from Swansea..So thank you for that and the Admin notice and the Will.

I am still puzzled by the Somerset birthplace name given in the 1851 census. I will follow up the suggestion of Kew Stoke but I am beginning to wonder whether Hannah was "economical with the truth” when dealing with officialdom !

I can see there is more to done on this , so any further suggestions will be most welcome.

Maec