Thomas Gordon

[aidansrest]

Thank you!! Will check it out!

Sue

[Radcliff]

1901 census Nesham Place Sunderland
Thomas Garden aged 38 a painters labourer born Sunderland
Isabella wife aged 36 born Sunderland
Thomas aged 16
James aged 13
John G aged 10
Henry aged 5,
all children born Sunderland

sorry ignore you have him in 1901

[aidansrest]

Hi thanks!!

Have him in 1901 and 1911...but not in 1871, 1881, prior to his marriage, nor in 1891, after his marriage to Isabella

Sue

[jonwarrn]

Is this Ann's burial at Bishopwearmouth Cemetery, 13 March 1923
Ann Scott
widow of John Scott
Age 74 years
Death occurred at 37 Wellington Lane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6T-NS45-X

Even on her census ages she would have been very young in 1863, when Thomas Gordon was born.
Are you sure it's the same Ann?

Birth reg
GORDON, THOMAS       
Mother's Maiden Surname: — 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 410

Have you got his birth cert to see if there are any further clues or confirmation, one way or the other?

[aidansrest]

Hi

I don't have Thomas' birth certificate - I was able to get additional information from the Sunderland Registrar's site which gave his date of birth as 2nd August 1863 (mother's maiden name 'Gordon'), and his baptism from FindMyPast, which took place on the 19th August 1863, naming the only parent as Ann Gordon.

I cannot trace him in 1871 or 1881 (or 1891 for that matter, his wife, Isabella, was alone with their three sons, in High Street, Sunderland.

I just thought, his mother may have married after his birth and he may be listed under a different surname until his marriage - he married as Thomas Gordon in 1883.

When Ann Gordon married John Scott, she named her father as James Scott.

It may be a coincidence, but Thomas named his first three sons, Thomas, then James, then John George (George was the name of Isabella's father), so thought they may have been a link there, possibly to John Scott too.

Who knows??

Sue

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Yes she might be Thomas's mother of course. She could have given him up soon after the birth.
I was just wondering if there might be any alternative possibilities
Jon

[aidansrest]

He obviously knew his original surname then, but who was caring for him during his childhood is frustratingly obscure

Sue

[softly softly]

Do you have his wife and children in 1891?

SS

[jonwarrn]

My cobbled together alternative is here! Corrections made.

Is this a late marriage for Ann, or just a coincidence of names? I haven't thoroughly checked.
Sep 1872 Sunderland 10a 760
Gordon, Ann
Jones, James

Sunderland indexes ref C026BK15/373

Leaving that aside, in Sunderland in the 1871 census (free resources only for me at the moment!)
Ann Jones 25 Mariners Wife Durham Shiney Row
Thomas Jones 7 Durham Sunderland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZP-TJX

Is the same pair in the 1881 transcript?
Ann Sells 36 Sailors Wife Durham Pensher
Thomas G Sells 17 Sailor Durham Sunderland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-JHGT

Could the G be for Gordon??

There is a baptism of Hannah Gordon in Penshaw, Durham, in 1845
Parents Henry and Mary Ann
I think abode will be Shiney Row.

A daughter Ann to those parents in Penshaw as well, maybe in about 1843.

Birth regs
GORDON, ANN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: YOUNG 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING UNION  Volume 24  Page 188
   
GORDON, HANNAH   
Mother's Maiden Surname: YOUNG 
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING UNION  Volume 24  Page 190

So which one? (EDIT - Ann, I guess!)

Anyway, 1851, here they are in Washington
Ann and Hannah both born Shiney Row
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJ1-7QJ

To complicate matters in 1851 an Ann Gordon, 7, with her Young grandparents!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJY-TCP