Author Topic: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)  (Read 433 times)

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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 09:25 »
Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).
Were you aware of the first child born in Ireland in 1923?

I have some quite interesting bits about Hannah and her mother Martha but will hold off from posting until Jim Webster responds.
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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 13:26 »
Ref Kiltaglassan
Appreciate the links. Can you help with a link to the Martha Jane (Hannah's sister / half sister) birth registration in 1898.
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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 13:29 »
Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).
Were you aware of the first child born in Ireland in 1923?

No. Is this child Henry / Martha Jane's


I have some quite interesting bits about Hannah and her mother Martha but will hold off from posting until Jim Webster responds.

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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 13:31 »
Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).
Were you aware of the first child born in Ireland in 1923?

No. Is this child Henry / Martha Jane's or William Henry Lines / Hannah Heyburn's?



I have some quite interesting bits about Hannah and her mother Martha but will hold off from posting until Jim Webster responds.


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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 13:32 »
Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).
Were you aware of the first child born in Ireland in 1923?

No. Is this child Henry Ramsay / Martha Jane's or William Henry Lines / Hannah Heyburn's?



I have some quite interesting bits about Hannah and her mother Martha but will hold off from posting until Jim Webster responds.

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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 13:55 »
Please don't keep re-quoting so many replies as it gets more and more confusing to read.

The 1923 birth is [presumably] eldest child of William Lines and Hannah Heyburn. They married on 10 Mar.1923 and daughter Florence was born 23 Nov.1923 (Newtownards registration district).
I asked if you were aware of this child since it would have provided yet more evidence that we have found the correct Heyburn family.
I have just checked for a death in Northern Ireland (1923-1940) but there was none for Florence. Perhaps you'll be able to find information about her in English records.

Before I post details about the Heyburn family, I did find a possible death for Hannah's mother, Martha Heyburn, in Scotland. I say possible because the name and age fit. However, I have not viewed the certificate. IF Martha died in Scotland the informant may not have known much about her so the details on the death registration may not be able to confirm it is Hannah's mother. It would probably be worth first checking to see if she died in England in case she went to live near Hannah.
HEYBURN   MARTHA   69      F   1939   595 / 80   Irvine
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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 14:00 »
Robert Heyburn, Ballymacormick, m. Margaret Johnston
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Ballymacormack/1251585/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Ballymacormick/260114/
Jeannie Heyburn’s son- https://barryniblock.co.uk/world-war-two-war-dead/names-listed-alphabetically-by-surname/dalzell-to-dunwoody/duff-robert-heyburn-no-d-kx94612/
Their daughter-
Martha Heyburn (6 Nov.1869 Ballymacormick)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1869/03377/2238187.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Orlock/1251801/ (transcribed as Keyburn)
1. Daughter (8 Apr.1892 Ballymacormick-11 Apr.1892 Ballymacormick)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1892/02351/1879008.pdf
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06039/4720379.pdf
2. Daughter (23 Jan.1894 Ballymacormick-28 Jan.1894 Ballymacormick)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1894/02276/1855047.pdf
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05980/4700722.pdf
3. Margaret Heyburn (15 Mar.1896 Ballymacormick-aft.1911)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1896/02176/1824257.pdf
Maggie age 4 with grandparents in Ballymacormick in 1901 and age 16 in 1911.
4. Martha Jane Heyburn (20 Mar.1898 Newtownards Workhouse) m.(22 Dec.1917 Newtownards) Henry Ramsey. See next post.
5. Hannah Heyburn (14 Oct.1903 Frederick St., Newtownards) m.(10 Mar.1923 Ards R.D.) William Lines
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1903/01853/1722496.pdf
     a. Florence Lines (23 Nov.1923 Newtownards R.D.)
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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 14:04 »
Martha Jane Heyburn (20 Mar.1898 Newtownards Workhouse) m.(22 Dec.1917 Newtownards) Henry Ramsey
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1898/02088/1796560.pdf
Baptised Martha Jane Heyburn with the same birth date was baptised 23rd April 1898 Greenwell St Presbyterian church Newtownard to Martha Jane Heyburn
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09759/5542287.pdf
a. Marion Ramsay (8 Oct.1918 Movilla St., Newtownards)
b. Margaret Ramsay (31 Oct.1919 Newtownards)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1919/01235/1513856.pdf
c. Thomasina Ramsay (24 June 1921).
d. Kathleen Ramsay (14 Sept.1923).

There could be other children born after 1925.
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Re: Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 14:55 »
Census of Ireland 1901
Samuel Boyd aged 63 general dealer
Catherine Boyd aged 60,
Mary Boyd, Granddaughter aged 7
Martha Jane Heborn  Granddaughter aged 3
Mill Street Newtownards,.
ignore this please . as Martha Jane can't be her mother born in 1903
Edited it looks like Martha is her sister

The above transcription contains several errors-
Samuel Boyd in a general labourer.
Wife is Cathern.
Also a boarder Bella McLure in household.
Actual census return is here-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Mill_Street_Part_of_/1260546/

Samuel Boyd died in 1909 (age varies from census)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05455/4526627.pdf

Catherine Boyd in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Frederick_Street/269478/

Her sister Mary Mills died in 1915-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05262/4459959.pdf
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