Ronald Lines (b1933 Birmingham)

[Radcliff]

Irish civil records unnamed child of Martha Heyburn was born at Newtownards workhouse
20th March 1898
Baptised Martha Jane Heyburn with the same birth date was baptised 23rd April 1898 Greenwell St Presbyterian church Newtownard to Martha Jane Heyburn, so the Martha that married is most likely Hannahs , sister she lives with her Boyd Grandparents in 1901

[Radcliff]

So what happened to their mother Martha Jane after 1903

[Jim Webster]

Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).

[Radcliff]

so Jim, are you following what has been posted and searching the possible people mentioned, you have the marriage of Hannah and you have her birth,

[aghadowey]

Lots more information but also some corrections to some of the details posted previously.

Margaret Ramsay
birth date 21st October 1919
abode Neville st Newtonards
father Henry Ramsay
mother Martha Jane  nee Hayburn

The address is Movilla Street in Newtownards. Birthdate is 31 Oct.1919 as Kiltaglassan has already posted.

Ref : CaroleW #5
Thank you. My sister-in-law knows of the 4 children you mention (3 uncles and an aunt).

Were you aware of the first child born in Ireland in 1923?

I have some quite interesting bits about Hannah and her mother Martha but will hold off from posting until Jim Webster responds.

[Jim Webster]

Evening all
Quite a lot of information to digest has been provided.
I'm free over the weekend so, hopefully, should be able to get to grips with it all.
Thanks to all contributors.
Jim

[Jim Webster]

I have tried to get to grips with the information provided and ready to be proved wrong but here goes.
my Hannah born 14/10/1903 in the Birmingham area would seem to be wrong.
Another Hannah born exactly 1 year earlier in Newtownards is more likely.
If the Newtownards one is right Hannah has an older sister (Martha Jane 23/4/1898). No fathers name on either birth certificate.
Martha Jane and Hannah's mother Martha goes on to marry Henry Ramsay (22/12/1917} and they have 3 children (Margaret, Marion and Thomasina) who are Hannah's half sisters.
If I have understood the information correctly I will speak to my sister-in-law (who was born in the same area in Birmingham) and let her know what I have found. She is adamant that her grandmother Hannah was of Irish decent.
Thank you again for the information you have provided.
Jim

[Radcliff]

Jim , you are getting to grips but I need to correct my replies ,   Martha Jane that married Henry Ramsay would have been your Hannahs sister also born to single mother Martha Jane, now where Martha Mum went is a mystery to me, 
Aghadowey, said he has some snippets to post when you came back to your post,

if you are correct and your Hannah was born in Birmingham, where is her birth certificate and why would she marry in Ireland ? and how rare would it be to have two ladies of the same name born on the same date

[Jim Webster]

Good evening
Thank you for your reply.
I arrived at Hannah's dob from the 1939 record.
I thought I had found her on a 1921 census but having now double checked this is now incorrect
This census is for a Hannah Evelyn Lines and now fully support the Irish birthplace.
Jim