Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)

[Emc4888]

Hi- wow thanks for all this! Just reading everything you’ve found now. I know my 2x great grandmother Mary Shaw was from this first marriage between James Shaw and Eliza shaw- she was born in 1865.

Still looking for Hugh Shaws wife’s name (he was born in 1798 for refernace)- might be worth then for me to buy the GRONI death certificate!

[Jon_ni]

Still looking for Hugh Shaws wife’s name (he was born in 1798 for refernace)- might be worth then for me to buy the GRONI death certificate!

You don't need to buy a paper cert, just view the Full image online (need 50 pence credit worth leaving as enables searches of Shaw births with mothers maiden names starting at least 3 characters to allow for spelling variations as variants option doesn't work). Increase your browser magnification to approx 200%, you will see the suggestion from GRONI about them not wishing people to use snipping tools etc.
https://nidirect.gov.uk/services/go-groni-online

As above we thought Ann was Hugh's wife died Leggygowan 14 April 1877, aged 73 & married rather than a widow.

For reference Mary Shaw born 1st Jan 1865 https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1865/03589/2322978.pdf in Lisowen Townland, adjacent to the SE of Leggygowan. Indexed on GRONI with mother's maiden surname of Henry.

Griffiths Valuation has quite a few Shaws in Saintfield civil parish but many are repeats presumably either leasing several bits of land or immediate lessors sub-leasing to others.

James Shaw, occupier, in Leggygowan, map ref 58 & 59, 1 + 4 acres
James Henvey, occupier, in Leggygowan (Eliza's father) map ref 42a & 42b, 1 + 2 acres
Hugh Shaw, occupier of a house only (no land) in Creevyloughgare at map ref 25Ba sub-leasing off Daniel Magean at 25 A&B who registered his death 1882.
Andrew Shaw in Creevyloughgare 2,1,c house only.
an Eliza Shaw, occupier, in Lisowen map ref 37. 24 acres.

[Jon_ni]

1876 Elizabeth & Martha Shaw take over the lease of 58 from the James in Leggygowan
VAL/12/B/18/19A (1866-1876)
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_Val12b/Large%20JPeg/IRELBEL1D_031/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-19A/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-19A_M_00060.jpg

A spinster Martha with sister Eliza (informant) died 8 Dec 1905 (reg 3 Jan 1906) aged 67 in Ballymacreelly Townland, Killinchy.
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05574/4565323.pdf

[jonwarrn]

I can't see a remarriage for a David Shaw, father Hugh, in 1869
There is one for a James Shaw, widower, in Ballymacarrett. Father Hugh Shaw, deceased, Laborer.

But I think it's a different James. The one in Saintfield died young?
This could perhaps be widow Eliza in 1901
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Leggygowan/Leggygown/1231412/
 

[jonwarrn]

A spinster Martha with sister Eliza (informant) died 8 Dec 1905 (reg 3 Jan 1906) aged 67 in Ballymacreelly Townland, Killinchy.

Here they are in 1901 in Leggygowan, living with their nephew Samuel Shaw, 31.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Leggygowan/Leggygown/1231422/

Samuel Shaw, born 16 February 1869, Leggygowan
Mother Eliza, no father named.
Informant Martha Shaw, Leggygowan
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1869/03413/2251681.pdf

So was Eliza the aunt in 1901 really Samuel's mother? Or perhaps his mum might have been James's widow Eliza (that's if James died in 1866) 
Though it doesn't say formerly Hanvey

[jonwarrn]

Samuel says he is married in 1901.

Here he is in 1911, with his wife Lizzie, 42, and a nephew Thomas W Martin, 13.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Leggygowan/Leggygowan/240712/

Though it says they have been married 4 years.
But in 1901 Lizzie is already a married Shaw, living with her mum Eliza Patterson, and with them is her sister Sarah Martin and her family including young Thomas
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Crossgar/Killyleagh_Street/1229904/

Can't find a marriage for Samuel and Lizzie (Patterson, or even a widowed Shaw!)

Going back to Samuel's origins, there is a death in Leggygowan, 18 January 1918, of an Elizabeth Shaw. Age  76. Widow of a farmer.
Informant Samuel Shaw, son, present at death, Leggygowan
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Crossgar/Killyleagh_Street/1229904/

[Jon_ni]

There is one for a James Shaw, widower, in Ballymacarrett. Father Hugh Shaw, deceased, Laborer.
But I think it's a different James. The one in Saintfield died young?
This could perhaps be widow Eliza in 1901

Eliza nee Henvey I thought perhaps died Saintfield Sub-District of Lisburn 1867 after giving birth to children Mary and David. James remarried 1869?

That 1901 looks possible though, we will need to await feedback from Emc4888 as to the 1867 1866 Death Registration details on GRONI.

Eliza Shaw [sister of Martha] aged 71, single was in Leggygowan 1911, alone & Presbyterian.
https://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Leggygowan/Leggygowan/240706

Link for her 1918 death you referred to above https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05198/4436076.pdf
I would assume 'Widow of a Farmer' is Fiction for politeness and that Samuel was indeed an illegitimate son (with aunt Martha, uncle James, uncle David etc, and was a daughter of Hugh & Ann, tentatively given James now seems to have died 1866 and the Valuation Revision name change is 10 years later).

[jonwarrn]

Hi
FamilySearch has a bit more info on those two deaths
James Shaw
Died 20 August 1866, age 25
May have have died at Leggygowan?
Informant(?) Ann Shaw
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPHW-NB5M

Eliza Shaw
Died 30 March 1867, age 21
Carricknacessna??
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP71-C772

[jonwarrn]

Link for her 1918 death you referred to above https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05198/4436076.pdf
I would assume 'Widow of a Farmer' is Fiction for politeness and that Samuel was indeed an illegitimate son (with aunt Martha, uncle James, uncle David etc, and was a daughter of Hugh & Ann?).

Well yes, there are two in 1911
Eliza Shaw the spinster, age 71
Elizabeth Shaw the widow, age 72, still with the McMahons
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Leggygowan/Leggygowan/240687/