Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)

[jonwarrn]

   •   Hugh Shaw appears in Griffith’s Valuation (about 1863) in Creevyloughare townland, Parish of Saintfield, Barony of Upper Castlereagh, Downpatrick Poor Law Union

Don't know if this fits in?
Marriage, 10 September 1860
Andrew Shaw, full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Creevyloughare, parish of Saintfield, father Hugh Shaw, Labourer
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Mary Donnell
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1860/09588/5476966.pdf

[jonwarrn]

Then we have, again in the Register Office
Marriage, 29 July 1863
Samuel Shaw, full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Leggygowan, parish of Saintfield, father Hugh Shaw, Labourer
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Alice Kennedy
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09648/5499267.pdf

[jonwarrn]

Marriage, 10 September 1860
Andrew Shaw, full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Creevyloughare, parish of Saintfield, father Hugh Shaw, Labourer
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Mary Donnell

Had a son Hugh William, born 7 February 1865, at Ballyagherty
Informant Ann Shaw, Present at Birth, Leggygowan
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1865/03577/2318404.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

He lived in the Creevyloughare and Leggygowan area of Saintfield parish.

Creevyloughgare townland, civil parish of Saintfield.

https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/saintfield/leggygowan/creevyloughgare/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4731232#map=12/54.4431/-5.8670

[jonwarrn]

Any thoughts, Emc4888? Where do you think you are now with all this.

[Jon_ni]

Had a son Hugh William, born 7 February 1865, at Ballyagherty
Informant Ann Shaw, Present at Birth, Leggygowan

Ann Shaw of Leggygowan also registered David's birth 1866, son of James & Elizabeth nee Hanvy
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1866/03522/2295715.pdf
I would agree she was grandmother and the informant on her 1877 death most likely her husband Hugh. Before the 1880 revision to the Birth & Death Act relationships to the deceased tended not to be recorded.

Original 1863 Act.
36. Some Person present at the Death or in attendance during the last Illness of any Person dying in Ireland after the said 31st December 1863, or the Occupier of the House or Tenement in which such Death took place, or if the Occupier be the Person who shall have died, then some One or more of the Persons residing in the House in which such Death took place, shall, within Seven Days next after the Day of such Death, give Notice of such Death to the Registrar of the District in which such Death occurred...and shall sign the Registry in the Presence of the Registrar.

Revised 1880
10. When a person dies in a house after the commencement of this Act [1 Jan 1881] it shall be the duty of the nearest relatives of the deceased present at the death, or in attendance during the last illness of the deceased, and in default of such relatives, of every other relative of the deceased dwelling or being in the same district as the deceased, and in default of such relatives of each person present at the death, and of the occupier of the house in which, to his knowledge, the death took place, and in default of the persons herein-before in this section mentioned, of each inmate of such house, and of the person causing the body ' of the deceased person to be buried, to give, to the best of his knowledge and belief, to the registrar, within the five days next following the day of such death, information of the particulars required to be registered concerning such death, and in the presence of the registrar to sign the register.

[jonwarrn]

Thanks for that, Jon_ni.
It is a pity about the relationship not being given, but I guess it was the same in England and Wales until the new Act of 1874.

One thing, an awful lot of those deaths in Ireland were not registered within seven days!
John

[Jon_ni]

One thing, an awful lot of those deaths in Ireland were not registered within seven days!

Indeed, and even in the 1910's comparison of a burial register transcript with the GRO showed a reasonable number of deaths (and births for infants that lived days/weeks) that were not Registered at all.

The 1863 continued under the caption "Persons present at Death and others required to give Notice within Seven Days, and Information within Fourteen Days."

And the 1880 allowed up to a 1 year window for registration (clauses 10-14)

https://legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/26-27/11/enacted
https://legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/43-44/13/enacted

[Jon_ni]

"1.  James Shaw, born about 1841. Protestant, farmer’s servant. Married Eliza Hanvey (Catholic) on 27 April 1864 in the Downpatrick registration district."
Had a son David born 7 June 1866 at Leggygowan

David seems to be the only child of that marriage. GRONI shows an Eliza died 1867.
D/1867/150/1018/1/314 Eliza Shaw 30 March 1867 aged 21 Saintfield sub-district of Lisburn.

James (Widower, labourer) then possibly remarried 1869 to Agnes Hodgins (spinster) in St Patrick's Church of Ireland, Ballymacarrett, Belfast. Thing is says father was Hugh Shaw, labourer (DECEASED).
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11417/8193587.pdf
(his 1st marriage Downpatrick Reg Office 1864 had father also as labourer and witness David).

Think I'd invest £2.50 on the GRONI death image to be sure of things as I'm not seeing any children from the 2nd marriage.