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am researching my Shaw family from Saintfield, County Down, and would appreciate help finding the wife and parents of Hugh Shaw, born around 1798. He lived in the Creevyloughare and Leggygowan area of Saintfield parish.

Known facts:
   •   Hugh Shaw appears in Griffith’s Valuation (about 1863) in Creevyloughare townland, Parish of Saintfield, Barony of Upper Castlereagh, Downpatrick Poor Law Union.
   •   He was a labourer or smallholder, renting a house and garden.
   •   His religion was likely Presbyterian.
   •   The area where he lived sits near the parish boundary with Killyleagh.

Children:
   1.   James Shaw, born about 1841. Protestant, farmer’s servant. Married Eliza Hanvey (Catholic) on 27 April 1864 in the Downpatrick registration district.
   •   Father listed as Hugh Shaw, labourer, residence Leggygowan, Saintfield.
   •   Witnesses were David Shaw and Isabella Hanvey.
   2.   David Shaw, probably born in the late 1840s, likely James’s younger brother.

Records checked so far:
   •   Civil marriage of James Shaw and Eliza Hanvey (1864) – confirms father Hugh Shaw, labourer.
   •   Griffith’s Valuation – Hugh Shaw in Creevyloughare.
   •   1917 census search form for Ann Shaw – parents Hugh and Jane, residence Carrowgarragh, Killyleagh.

Next steps:

I plan to search the following Presbyterian registers for baptisms of Hugh’s children or his marriage:
   •   Lissara Presbyterian (Saintfield) – baptisms 1809–1909
   •   Saintfield 2nd Presbyterian – baptisms 1831–1884
   •   Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian – baptisms 1829–1899
   •   Killyleagh 2nd Presbyterian – baptisms 1832–1899

Questions:
   1.   Does anyone have access to these Presbyterian baptism records for the 1830s–1850s who could look for children of Hugh and Jane Shaw?
   2.   Are there earlier Saintfield or Killyleagh records that might identify Hugh’s parents?
   3.   Has anyone come across Shaw families in Creevyloughare, Leggygowan, or Killyleagh from the early 1800s?

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. I can share the marriage certificate and census search form if needed.

Thank you,

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Re: Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 October 25 12:52 GMT (UK) »
All the Presbyterian churches were formed long before their records commence, hence 1st Saintfield Presbyterian baptism records only commence 1854 and 2nd Saintfield 1831 as you have.
https://rosdavies.com/PHOTOSwords/SaintfieldAll.htm

Lissara Presbyterian is in Crossgar (Kilmore civil parish, Co Down)
https://rosdavies.com/PHOTOSwords/KilmoreAll.htm
There are a number of closer churches https://www.genuki.org.uk/churches/143633/5/0

PRONI's Guide to Church Records https://nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records

Sharing the marriage certificate and census search forms are unnecessary, simply paste the links
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11608/8272615.pdf
https://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=21555

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Re: Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 October 25 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Ok thank you- yes looks like it will likely be a dead end. Was wondering if there were any other methods people used to go past these brick walls in rural ulster. I’m hoping maybe church minutes might give a clue.

Thanks for your help!!

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Re: Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 October 25 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Notes:
James' residence at the time of his marriage was Leggygowan, adjacent to Creevyloughare where you say his father was residing on Griffiths
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/saintfield/leggygowan/leggygowan

Hugh died there 1882, aged 84 (approx) registered by a Daniel McGeean of the same townland.
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06417/4842977.pdf

Care you don't mix your Shaws there were marriages of 3 different Hugh Shaws 1846, 1850, 1860 have Ann in mind with that and the census search form which was this marriage https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09307/5370005.pdf

Ann was not found 1851 census with Hugh & Jane in either of the places searched for her OAP claim & proof of age: Cargagh Townland & Killyleagh Corporation.

Searching baptisms after civil registration commenced is not normally necessary, they contain less detail then the birth cert. Killyleagh Presbyterian baptisms are transcribed on RootsIreland 1835 - 1882 (that is when records commence, not 1829). 2nd Killyleagh baptisms commence 1840 when the congregation was formed.

Lissara Presbyterian, Crossgar are on Familysearch so likely included in Ancestry Select Births & Baptisms. Baptisms 1809-1871, Shaws https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3JV-NCYS. Marriages 1811-1850.
Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian Baptisms 1835-1882, Marriages 1835-1871 are transcribed on Familysearch too so included in their Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881 & Ancestry's Select Irish Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881. The transcript images used to be viewable via film 928510, but no longer. https://familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/387132 An A-Z surname marriage print I can still access shows 1 Shaw marriage pre 1845: Finlay 1839 + Jane & Catherine years unknown, all the rest will be on IrishGen.

Some of the churches you list are only available on microfilm, unindexed and have to be scrolled through labourously scanning the entries for surname. That microfilm is in PRONI, Belfast.
Background https://presbyterianhistoryireland.com/our-services/family-history/


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Re: Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 October 25 14:07 GMT (UK) »
session minutes are noted in PRONI's guide, only available on microfilm.

David Shaw , aged 21, of Leggygowan, son of Hugh married 20 Oct 1866 at Raffrey Presbyterian, Killinchy civil parish https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11550/8248431.pdf
Another David, son of Robert married Killinchy Church of Ireland previous year https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=cima-3070125
Marriages often in the bride's church.
David died Leggygowan 1918, aged 73 https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05198/4436075.pdf

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Re: Seeking wife’s name & parentage of Hugh Shaw (b. c.1798, Saintfield, Co. Down)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 October 25 17:03 GMT (UK) »
and if click Leggygowan above & adjacent to /Residents of a house
there were Shaws at enumerators ref. 14, 21, 33, 34 & 41.
David being at ref. 21 aged 64, a spinster Eliza Shaw aged 71 at 33 & a Samuel 43 at #41.

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Possible?
Death of Ann Shaw, 14 April 1877, Leggygowan
Age 73 years. Married.
Wife of a Labourer
Informant Hugh Shaw (X), Present at death, Leggygowan
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020551/7211693.pdf

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   1.   James Shaw, born about 1841. Protestant, farmer’s servant. Married Eliza Hanvey (Catholic) on 27 April 1864 in the Downpatrick registration district.

Had a son David born 7 June 1866 at Leggygowan
Informant Ann Shaw, Present at birth, Leggygowan
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1866/03522/2295715.pdf