Author Topic: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53  (Read 276 times)

Offline GeoffTurner

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Hi all,

I am a descendant of this man. When I started researching family history I started with just my direct line, but have recently been working with other Clark descendants to fill in the gaps to get a better picture of the family as a whole. Charles and his second wife, Elspit Taylor, brought with them Andrew, the son of his first wife Jane Ogg, who had died, and eight of their own children (another had died in infancy). They had two more Australian-born children. I have a family history written by William Oswald Clark (1923-2013), Charles Clark's 2 x great grandson, and another Clark descendant has transcribed it. If you message me your email address I will send you a copy. I have also been in contact with William Oswald Clark's nephew to find out more about his uncle.

The Clark family moved from Melbourne to Smeaton in Victoria and then spread out to places including Yarrawonga, Corowa and the Narrandera area. My own great grandmother, Alice Clark (1877-1967) lived in the Lockhart area of the Riverina.

The history I found concentrates mainly on the descendants of Charles' first child, Andrew, but includes details of the area in Aberdeenshire (near Balmoral Castle) where Charles was a blacksmith before emigrating.

All the people I have mentioned (with the exception of William Oswald Clark's unnamed nephew) are deceased, so there should be no problems with that.

That's the background, now to the specific query. Fellow cousins descended from Sidney Ernest Wilson (1879-1961) are stumped trying to determine his ancestry. On the parish marriage register (St Michaels, Surry Hills, 2 Oct 1906, age 27) he says his father's name is unknown and his mother is Louisa, maiden name unknown.   It says he was born at Clifton, which is on the coast between Sydney and Wollongong.

Some researchers think his father might have been Thomas Wilson Garlick (1835-1901), and Sidney was given his middle name for a surname. NSW BDM has one marriage for Thomas Wilson Garlick, and it's to Mary Collary (or Collaery), not to a woman named Louisa. Mary Garlick's death certificate does not list a Sidney as a child, living or dead.

As well as Sidney's marriage register, his Boer War mounted infantry picture, 1900 jail book (Wollongong jail, for vagrancy at Nowra), WWI Attestation, and Rookwood records all use the Sidney Wilson name.

I did a fairly wide sweep (1880-1890) of Wilson births in NSW BDM and found no Sidney births, let alone one at Clifton with a mother Louisa.

There were two births for Sydney, which I could rule out for other reasons.

I can see why my fellow Clark descendants are having trouble. I wonder if any Rootschatters might have ideas for further research.

Thanks again,

Geoff Turner
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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 00:12 GMT (UK) »
Sidney Ernest Wilson - Birth date on his WW1 service documents is 25 June 1880
He says born in Coledale, and born in Clifton (both very close on NSW south coast)
Note – there are 3 attestation papers. Birth date appears several times.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 01:01 GMT (UK) »
The attestation I have says he joined on 3 Feb 1916 aged 35 years and 7 months, which tallies with a birth date of 25 Jun 1880, as you say.  The marriage register dated 2 Oct 1906 says he was 27, meaning he was born in the 12 months following 2 Oct 1879. Which also tallies with 25 Jun 1880. I am always a little suspicious of birth dates on service records because I know my own father increased his age by a year to meet the qualification criteria. People have also been known to change birth dates the other way if they feared being rejected as too old.

But 25 Jun 1880 was covered in my search of Wilson babies registered in NSW BDM and I couldn't find him there. There is no Sidney Wilson or Sidney Garlick registered in 1879, 1880 or 1881. So I am stumped.

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 05:52 GMT (UK) »
If your topic is about "finding" Sidney Ernest Wilson, I suggest you make that your topic heading.
Can I also suggest you remove the big long intro about your Clark family. It is unrelated to the purpose of your post, and a lot to read through. Posting as much information as you have about Sidney will help RootsChatter help you.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 06:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes I'll do that. The first part was mainly an offer to send the transcript if anyone was interested.

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 06:33 GMT (UK) »
I think you must consider disregarding the item on the Ancestry online tree which touches on his prison sentence for vagrancy. Gaol Description Records.

The physical descriptions are not alike and there is a tattoo on the vagrant not mentioned on the enlistee.

Geoff,
Where was Sidney Ernest WILSON before his marriage?

What is your chap's address at marriage? I can't see the certificate

I can see the baptism of a child of his and wife on the Sydney Parish Anglican data base when he was a milk vendor.
This changed later when he became a mechanical engineer. Was he qualified or just good with motors?

Sue

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 06:48 GMT (UK) »
I hope this attachment gets through in a readable form. I have had to try to make it small enough to be an attachment.

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 06:54 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find a woman named Louisa Wilson who might be his mother. Aged 15 or older when he was born. So that she just gave her name as the child's surname if she was unmarried, which was more usual. But none of hese jump out at me.

WILSON LOUISA531/1852 V1852531 38AJAMESLOUISACJ
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 WILSON LOUISA J381/1857 V1857381 149ROBERTSARAH ACJ
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 WILSON LOUISA J381/1857 381 VOL 149ROBERTSARAH A
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 WILSON LOUISA M1301/1857 MARTIN JMARTHA RSYDNEY
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 WILSON LOUISA1566/1862 JOHNRACHELSYDNEY
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 WILSON LOUISA A10011/1862 MARGARETFORBES

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Re: Family of CHARLES CLARK, sailed Aberdeen to Melbourne on "Jane Geary" 1852-53
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 October 25 07:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

   I you have not already tried, I would suggest that this is a case for DNA. It might help you home in on a family.
   He may have been fairly flexible with his age.
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